Moscow airport plane fire: At least 41 people killed in Aeroflot crash landing

Naomasa298

Forum Staff
Apr 2010
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Dec 2017
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The largest number of SSJ-100 is operated by Aeroflot. Aeroflot is a government airline. So is Sukhoi that manufactures SSJ-100. The plane is sold from one government company to another government company. Aeroflot is a large airline owns many different planes. SSJ-100 is most problematic plane in Aeroflot's fleet according to their own reports. Many asked if productgion of SSJ-100 is going to be halted. As it's not even generating any revenues relying on governmenty's financial support. Taxpayers' money. The government refuses to acknowledge, probably to themselves as it spent a lot of money on the project, that SSJ-100 is problematic. Even certain Russian airlines gave up on it and privately own companies don't buy it or lease it.
 

Larrey

Ad Honorem
Sep 2011
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The article says the jets are grounded due to maintenance delays, and suggests that is because Sukhoi doesn't orpeate a maintenance facility in North America. It doesn't suggest anything inherently wrong with the aircraft.
I don't think competent airline operators have direct trouble making the machines safe when flying them. The problem seems to be that what is required to get them to that point is much higher than for comparable machines from the Boeing-Airbus duopoly, or from smaller contenders like Brazilian Embraer. They are not profitable. The number of hours in the air that can (safely) be gotten out of them is radically lower than for competing aircraft. Thus if you have a business and need to make money, using these machines is going to make you go bust sooner or later. Competitors not using them are at an advantage:
Russia’s Plane-Making Ambition Exceeds Its Competence
 

arkteia

Ad Honorem
Nov 2012
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Seattle
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As you know, the Russian media have notified that the captain reported to the ground by radio that lightning struck the plane and that caused some problems with radio communications with the ground, and he turned the plane into an emergency landing in the airport from which the plane departured.

The Russians just deciphered the conversation recording from the flight voice recorder. As it turned out, there was no message about the lightning. In fact, the Russians accepted the phrase in English that the plane was in direct mode for the Russian phrase about a lightning strike (удар молнии - udar molniyih) . Two phrases sound somewhat similar
Hard to believe it. “Direct mode” probably means without an autopilot. When it is landing. Also, very different words. Unless you have a link, not believable.

The pilot, likely, has made a mistake, but I will be defending them from bashing. JMO - pilots are smart people, with very high IQ, anywhere in the world. Be it US, Russian, Ethiopian, Indonesian, Ukrainian, etc. They are working for big companies and subjected to policies and stress in the companies, and even experienced ones make mistakes, but they are very smart.
 
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This is what happened. The plane took off in Moscow. Twenty minutes later or so it was struck by the lighting . The plane lost electronic (computer operation of the aircraft) and lost communication with air-traffic controller. The pilot decided to return
Hard to believe it. “Direct mode” probably means without an autopilot. When it is landing. Also, very different words. Unless you have a link, not believable.

The pilot, likely, has made a mistake, but I will be defending them from bashing. JMO - pilots are smart people, with very high IQ, anywhere in the world. Be it US, Russian, Ethiopian, Indonesian, Ukrainian, etc. They are working for big companies and subjected to policies and stress in the companies, and even experienced ones make mistakes, but they are very smart.
Pilot lost electronics as the lightning struck operating the plane in manual mode without a help of a computer. The difficulty came also from the fact that he could not communicate properly with air-traffic controller initially. Communication was also lost. Preliminary suggestion is that pilot made some mistakes.

1) The plane should not be flying through rain cloud to begin with. Hail was hitting the plane as it was flying through the cloud.
2) As plane approached airport it should start flying in circles to burn fuel ridding off extra weight. It 's done often by pilots in a similar situation.
3) It was a young crew and pilot made a mistake landing the plane in manual mode. Not enough experience in operating the plane in manual mode carrying extra weight. What you see on the video, as the plane lands it hits the ground twice what is known as 'kozyol' landing in pilots' slang.



Having full tank of fuel the plane caught on fire hitting the ground second time. That's the current version of the events mentioned in media by various pilots and experts.