Murder/ execution of the Romanovs

rvsakhadeo

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Sep 2012
8,759
India
#31
Thanks bboomer for your comments. The casualties viz.deaths in the communal riots during a few months around the partition of India ( say in the months of July , August, September 1947) are said to be 500,000. But who can say that the total deaths before, during and after the Partition could not be 2 million ? The data is not readily verifiable.
 
Sep 2016
751
Georgia
#32
And regarding the French revolution I think the execution of the King and the shameful abuse of the Dauphin was a mistake -- while they held the 'rightful' heir to the throne they controlled him, when he died the 'rightful king now lived abroad and able to ferment hostility.
Execution of the King was a symbol. Symbol of ,, Ancien Regime '' finally falling and beginning of new era.
 

Kevinmeath

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May 2011
13,650
Navan, Ireland
#34
Execution of the King was a symbol. Symbol of ,, Ancien Regime '' finally falling and beginning of new era.
Yes and perhaps it was needed but then the abuse and eventual death of the Dauphin meant that the 'rightful' (never mind the rights and wrongs of it) King now lived abroad.

The execution of the Queen was just vindictive.
 

sparky

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Jan 2017
3,401
Sydney
#35
" I think the cause of this is somewhat ,, Identity Crisis '' in modern Russia."

Yes , there is a thirst for their own history and a certain nostalgia for the time when Russia was a nation
what make it weird is the deep attachment to the Soviet past and it's achievment also

a clear example of this is Natalia Poklonskaya the very Stalinist deputy , ex procurer of Crimea
she took exception to a recent movie telling of the Czar Nicolas II youthful love affair with a ballerina
the Church had canonized Nicolas as a Saint , mentioning his love affair was deemed disrespectful .
 

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Sep 2016
751
Georgia
#37
" I think the cause of this is somewhat ,, Identity Crisis '' in modern Russia."

Yes , there is a thirst for their own history and a certain nostalgia for the time when Russia was a nation
what make it weird is the deep attachment to the Soviet past and it's achievment also

a clear example of this is Natalia Poklonskaya the very Stalinist deputy , ex procurer of Crimea
she took exception to a recent movie telling of the Czar Nicolas II youthful love affair with a ballerina
the Church had canonized Nicolas as a Saint , mentioning his love affair was deemed disrespectful .
I believe there was also an attack staged on one of the cinema theatres. Natalia also had portraits of Nicholas II in her office, when she was still working in Crimea years ago.

There are fierce debates about everything surrounding Soviet Union, Revolution and late Russian Empire. As well as 1990's and destruction of USSR. More and more people in modern Russia becoming pro-Socialist and pro-Communist and praise Soviet Union in general. Not only old generation, but I also have seen those ideas getting popular amongst younger Russians. However, there are plenty of monarchists as well and those who like current situation better.

There is also question of religion. Many people are atheists and dislike resurgence of the Church in modern Russia. Especially, since the state tries to have close ties with it and they've become stronger.

There is also group of people who hate Lenin and blame him for loss of WWI and etc. But at the same time they love Stalin and praise him. They also like Putin and someone like Peter I. Those are basically Russian Imperialists. They love historical periods where Russia is feared and can bully other countries. Most prominent one is the guy named Starikov. He wrote bunch of history books, where blames all misfortunes of his country on English. He also stated that they should never have left Berlin.

Plenty of people also love to blame the West for their problems and defend current government. Tell stories how Europeans throughout all of history wanted to destroy Russia, but always failed. Now they believe China to be their ally and with it, they will take down USA. Nonetheless, there are still those who want to bring relationship with the West back to normal.

Modern Russia has become the famous painting of Vasnetsov ,, Knight at the crossroads '' or in Russian ,, Vityaz na Rasputie ''.
 
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Mar 2012
71
Riga
#38
Admiral Kolchak was advancing on Yekaterinburg
on 17 July 1918 , the czar and his family were executed by the Bolshevik Latvian rifles after receiving their orders from Moscow
All known shooters have distinct Russian surnames! What is source for participation of Latvian riflemen? There is an indication of possibility that Celms (a Latvian surname) might have participated. What is certain, that one of the killed was Head Footman, a Latvian.
 

sparky

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Jan 2017
3,401
Sydney
#39
A long ago reading of the Red Latvian riflemen history gave this indication that they were used as a praetorian guard for the Bolsheviks higher echelon
they were reputed for their efficient obedience
the Czar and his familly would have been executed by elements of this unit as Russians might have wavered
if you have details by all means ......share !

a small snipet which doesn't prove anything
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Helen Rappaport in The Last Days of the Romanovs: Tragedy at Ekaterinburg mentioning shortly before their shooting ,a note by Nicholas
that the security had been further tightened and the Guards had been replaced by Latvians
 
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