My List of the Greatest Commanders in History

Maki

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He started off with a wreck of an empire (basically Constantinople and some coastal areas), **** army and disastrous strategic position.
Actually no. All of the big Sassanian conquests (Palestine, Egypt) happened AFTER Heraclius took over. In fact, as you yourself noted, his rebellion was also a major shock to the empire and basically was the event that made the Persian conquests possible.
 
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Zip

Jan 2018
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I haven't read the entire thread but Ernest King and Raymond Spruance are worthy of consideration. As is Robert Eichelberger.
 

Lord Oda Nobunaga

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Jan 2015
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I haven't read the entire thread but Ernest King and Raymond Spruance are worthy of consideration. As is Robert Eichelberger.
I will keep that in mind. I haven't included them.

Just so people have an idea, for now I will largely ignore topics which include African history, South East Asian history or WW1 and WW2. The former subject is too obscure for me to really give a look at it. The latter subjects are way too complex. That does not mean I won't give it a look but I don't really plan to be reading on these subjects for this kind of specific information, at least for now anyway. All suggestions are welcome though.
 
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Actually no. All of the big Sassanian conquests (Palestine, Egypt) happened AFTER Heraclius took over. In fact, as you yourself noted, his rebellion was also a major shock to the empire and basically was the event that made the Persian conquests possible.
I was referring strictly to his military campaign against Persians. As I recall, he spent some years training the army before embarking on the campaign.
 
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Where's Patton!? How could you also forget Heinz Guderian?

Alfonso de Albuquerque needs to be added immediately. Bill Slim also deserves mentioning.
 

Lord Oda Nobunaga

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Where's Patton!? How could you also forget Heinz Guderian?

Alfonso de Albuquerque needs to be added immediately. Bill Slim also deserves mentioning.
William Slim and muh discoveries guy are on the list.
Scroll down to post #193.
My List of the Greatest Commanders in History

Why would I add Patton? What were his accomplishments exactly? I don't really see why I would include him but I could be persuaded. I don't really think Patton lives up to the hype. Certainly better than the golden boy Hodges at least.

Heinz Guderian on the other hand only commanded Panzer formations in the field so he automatically isn't considered. Aside from that he had a really bad performance in Operation Typhoon and rightly deserved to be removed from his command for insubordination. Aside from that he is also known as a "strategist" but he never provided anything meaningful in terms of military strategy, neither during the war or as a theoretical text. He was literally Maharbal in that he was always complaining that Hitler had to attack Moscow, and Guderian was wrong in any case. Everyone assumes that his career ends there but Guderian was also in charge of OKH from about August 1944 onward and here again he did nothing meaningful. Maybe the only good thing he did was order fortifications in East Prussia but his performance in Hungary wasn't particularly good either. Now when it comes to tank commanders he only performed well against the weak Poland or the woefully undefended positions in Sedan. In Russia he was actually challenged maybe for the first time ever, and besides the Eastern Front ended up producing better tank commanders than Guderian anyhow.
 

Lord Oda Nobunaga

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Jan 2015
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Just to clarify, the uncertain list is all the commanders which I did not do an analysis of or read in depth. There is nothing special about them other than that they are commanders. So it is just process of elimination. Really it just means that I didn't knock them out or bump them into the main list.

In addition to that list I am also making a list with all the names of the generals that I did not include and that I decided not to put in the main list. I call this one the "Other Commanders" which I can post in case anyone is curious.
As I said I would here is part of the "Other Generals List". ;)
The Military Subordinates

Next update will be the 19th Dynasty of Egypt. This last one of 18th Dynasty took me forever to do. I almost want to just list the names and not give any context. :crying:
 

Lord Oda Nobunaga

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All the generals which I have added to update 3.

Rimush (Akkad) (2330 BC-2270 BC)
Naram-Sin (Akkad) (2280 BC-2218 BC)
Shamshi-Adad I (Old Assyria) (1860 BC-1776 BC)
Amenhotep I (New Kingdom Egypt) (1550 BC-1506 BC)
Thutmose I (New Kingdom Egypt) MitanniW (1530 BC-1493 BC)
Thutmose II (New Kingdom Egypt) (1505 BC-1479 BC)
Parshatatar (Mitanni) (1500 BC-1450 BC)
Shaushtatar (Mitanni) (1470 BC-1420 BC)
Amenhotep II (New Kingdom Egypt) (1450 BC-1397 BC)
Mursili II (Hittite Empire) (1340 BC-1295 BC)
Adad-Nirari I (Assyria) (1310 BC-1264 BC)
Ramesses II (New Kingdom Egypt) (1303 BC-1213 BC)
Shalmanu-ashared I (Assyria) (1285 BC-1234 BC)
Tukulti-Ninurta I (Assyria) (1265 BC-1196 BC)
Nabu-apla-usur (Neo-Babylon) (658 BC-605 BC)
Kimon (Athens) (510 BC-450 BC)
Pelopidas (Thebes) (410 BC-364 BC)
Marcus Claudius Marcellus (Rome) (270 BC-208 BC)
Gnaeus Pompeius Strabo (Rome, Optimates) (135 BC-87 BC)
Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius (Rome, Optimates) SociiW, 1stCivilW (130 BC-63 BC)
Titus Labienus (Optimates, Rome) (99 BC-45 BC)
Germanicus Julius Caesar (Rome) (15 BC-10 AD)
Aulus Plautius (Rome) (4-57)
Gnaeus Domitius Corbulo (Rome) (7-67)
Vespasian (Vespasians, Rome) (9-79)
Gaius Suetonius Paulinus (Rome) (10-70)
Gnaeus Julius Agricola (Rome) (40-93)
Publius Aelius Hadrianus (Rome) (76-138)
Flavius Stilicho (Eastern Rome/Western Rome) (359-408)
Henry I of England (Normandy/England) (1068-1135)
Henry II (Normandy-Anjou, England) (1133-1189)
Mikhail Barclay de Tolly (Russia) (1761-1818)
Nicolas Jean de Dieu Soult (France) 39 (1769-1851)
Yamagata Aritomo (Japan) (1838-1922)
Gunther von Kluge (Germany) (1882-1944)
Konstantin Rokossovsky (Soviet Union) WW2 (1896-1968)
Norman Schwarzkopf (United States) (1934-2012)
Jiang Ziya (Zhou) (1100 BC-1030 BC)
Zhou Yu (Sun Wu) (175-210)
Xie Xuan (Jin) (343-388)