You're welcome. Taken me a while to do it. But I enjoy it.Great thread, thanks for putting this together.
Yeah more or less. I think he was an average general. Average tactician and maybe above average strategist. I think Liu Bang himself said that Han Xin was a better tactician than him, where as Zhang Liang was a better strategist.Liu Bang was not a good general in my opinion, only a good diplomat and politician.
Would have to do some research about it.Benoit de Boigne?
Okay, although I don't think I added Menelik, I was considering adding him.The extent to which Menelik was a 'great commander' is... debatable. From researching him, his skillset seems to mostly be in grand strategy. He was excellent at diplomacy, getting what he wanted from different powers, biding his time for the right moment, taking good advice, and initiating campaigns when appropriate. As for his skills as a commander... hes good, but is he one of the best? I think in the context of Ethiopian warfare, Ras Alula is more deserving.
What would you say if you were criticised for massively glorifying war by implicitly declaring mass slaughterers to be great men? Or have I missed a statement from you where you express ethical concerns about it?I've been compiling a list of the greatest commanders in history.
Who claimed he was glorifying war? If someone would so bluntly declare generals, and indeed all military officers and authorities to be just ''mass slaughterers'' this might be just the thread for them, so they might learn about the men themselves and broaden their understanding before attacking historical figures in such a generalising (Pun intended.) and black and white manner.What would you say if you were criticised for massively glorifying war by implicitly declaring mass slaughterers to be great men?
To be a great commander one necessarily needs to be great at killing. I'm not so much glorifying war, my purpose is just to discuss war and to discuss those military leaders which were good at waging war. Though in some regards there is something glorious about war, it has been glorified for centuries, whatever glory really is.What would you say if you were criticised for massively glorifying war by implicitly declaring mass slaughterers to be great men? Or have I missed a statement from you where you express ethical concerns about it?
Update 4.5Update 4.0
-added 46 new names
-removed Batu Khan from the original list
- Yarim-Lim I (Yamhad) (1800 BC-1764 BC)
- Horemheb (18th Dynasty) (1350 BC-1292 BC)
- Merneptah (19th Dynasty) (1280 BC-1203 BC)
- Tiglath Pileser I (Assyria) (1140 BC-1076 BC)
- Shoshenq I (22nd Dynasty) (970 BC-922 BC)
- Shalmaneser III (Neo-Assyria) (880 BC-824 BC)
- Cyaxeres (Median Empire) (645 BC-585 BC)
- Harpagus (Median Empire/Achaemenid Empire) (600 BC-535 BC)
- Xanthippos (Athens) (525 BC-475 BC)
- Iphikrates (Athens) (418 BC-353 BC)
- Quintus Fabius Maximus Rullianus (Roman Republic) (365 BC-290 BC)
- Gaius Claudius Nero (Roman Republic) (247 BC-190 BC)
- Gaius Galerius Valerius Maximianus (Roman Empire) (260-311)
- Louis the Pious (Frankish Empire) (778-840)
- Ferdinand II d'Aragon (Aragon, Castile) (1452-1516)
- Lala Kara Mustafa Pasha (Ottoman Empire) (1500-1580)
- Pyotr Rumyantsev (Russia) (1725-1796)
- Guy-Victor Duperre (France) (1775-1846)
- Luis Alves de Lima e Silva (Brazilian Empire) (1803-1880)
- Wilhelm von Tegetthoff (Austria-Hungary) (1827-1871)
- Friedrich Karl von Preussen (Prussia, Germany) (1828-1885)
- Ito Sukeyuki (Japan) (1843-1914)
- Aleksei Brusilov (Russian Empire/Russian SFSR) (1853-1926)
- Noel Edouard de Castelnau (France) (1851-1944)
- Joseph Joffre (France) (1852-1931)
- Zivojin Misic (Serbia) (1855-1921)
- Svetozar Boroevic (Austria-Hungary) (1856-1920)
- Louis Franchet d'Esperey (France) (1856-1942)
- Armando Diaz (Italy) (1861-1928)
- Henri Gouraud (France) (1867-1946)
- Gerd von Rundstedt (Germany) (1875-1953)
- Douglas MacArthur (United States) (1880-1964)
- Matthew Ridgway (United States) (1895-1993)
- Li Mu (Zhao) (280 BC-229 BC)
- Wang Ben (Qin) (250 BC-210 BC)
- Meng Tian (Qin) (250 BC-210 BC)
- Liu Bang "Emperor Gaozu" (Chu/Han) (256 BC-195 BC)
- Zhou Yafu (Han) (190 BC-143 BC)
- Huo Qubing (Han) (140 BC-117 BC)
- Ma Yuan (Han) (14 BC-49)
- Zhang Liao (Lu Bu/Cao Wei) (165/169-222)
- Zhang He (Yuan Shao/Cao Wei)
- Cao Ren (Cao Wei) (168-223)
- Xu Huang (Cao Wei) (169-227)
- Lu Xun (Sun Wu) (183-245)
- Hong Taiji (Qing Empire) (1592-1643)