Myanmar and Hungary leaders ''agree'' on ''Muslim population challenge''

Oct 2011
191
Croatia
#72
The Balkans proves that wrong.
How so? Both culture and ethnicity played a role there: Croatian culture is based on Catholicism, Serbian on Orthodoxy, and Bosniak on Islam. Different ethnicities + different cultures + no clear borders between them = gunpowder barrel. Only wonder is that it took so long to explode.

Assuming that what you wrote is correct, what is “stock” when talking about people? According to that definition are the Germans, Protestants, British, Portuguese, Spanish, Polish, Jews, Italians, Catholics, French, Swedish, etc. all of the same “stock”? Your post surely seemed to imply that.
United States were built by English protestants. Many of peoples you had quoted are already similar to them, and those that are not had assimilated. Problems happen when people do not assimilate (multiculturalism yay).
 
Oct 2013
14,275
Europix
#74
And (terminology aside) how does that change anything I wrote? Two wrongs do not make a right.
inspite of what one might believe, terminology is important. Calling a small elephant a big cat, will not help one in understanding cats better.

It doesn't change what You wrote. It's just that the historical exemples You used for justifying Your position aren't apropiate.
 
May 2016
5,453
Portugal
#75
United States were built by English protestants.
Was it? And all about all the others? That weren’t English and never assumed themselves as English.

What about the other countries in the Continent? Were they also build by the English?

Many of peoples you had quoted are already similar to them,
Like whom?

and those that are not had assimilated. Problems happen when people do not assimilate (multiculturalism yay).
By 1917 many areas in the USA had a strong German presence. In the churches and in the primary schools the children and the people spoke German. The streets had names in German. That change totally with WWI, saw a recovery in the interwar period and a new change during WWII.

So basically the German migrants were assimilated due the world wars. Today we see people in the USA stating that they are a quarter from all the corners of Europe, don’t know if that is assimilation or “multiculturalism yay”. Surely is odd.
 
Oct 2011
191
Croatia
#76
Was it? And all about all the others? That weren’t English and never assumed themselves as English.

What about the other countries in the Continent? Were they also build by the English?
United States started out as English colonies, and English provided framework around which US were built.

Like whom?
Germans, British, Swedish - all of them are Protestant, and could be said to be Northern European. And all of the rest - excepting Jews - are Christian.

By 1917 many areas in the USA had a strong German presence. In the churches and in the primary schools the children and the people spoke German. The streets had names in German. That change totally with WWI, saw a recovery in the interwar period and a new change during WWII.

So basically the German migrants were assimilated due the world wars. Today we see people in the USA stating that they are a quarter from all the corners of Europe, don’t know if that is assimilation or “multiculturalism yay”. Surely is odd.
Yes, and before World War II there was also strong Nazi movement among those Germans. They obviously identified with Germany as much as with US. Which is a problem.
 
Oct 2013
14,275
Europix
#77
Problems happen when people do not assimilate (multiculturalism yay).
False.

Only a monoculture asks for assimilation. US isn't monocultural, so it didn't needed people to assimilate, but to integrate.




And "multiculturalism yay" doesn't create problems: problems are created by people not accepting multiculturalism.


One of the "funny" things linked to that is exactly one of the subjects of the OP: Viktor Orban. The nationalist leader of a small, an almost monocultural state, using and augmenting the grunge of the people he "represents", the grunge created by the nostalgia of the glorious past of great state, amputated a century ago.

What he forgets, a lot of people forget (it seems You too) is that the Great Hungarian kingdom (and it was great, and literally and metaphorically speaking) was created and based on programmatic multiculturalism. A great kingdom becoming a small country after almost one millenia, it's smallness being achieved by the resolution of its political class to impose monoculture.

It's a bit sad to see that one thousand years ago, a Hungarian guy, who's father was basically a pagan steppe warrior understood more than another Hungarian guy (with decades of brilliant studies and full of diplomas) today.

But You're a Croat, You should know all that better than me.
 
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Jan 2017
2,837
Republika Srpska
#78
Eh, it's not like old Hungary was innocent of attempting to impose at least a degree of Magyarization. For example when they divided Croatia and Slavonia in the Middle Ages. It was clear that at least some Magyarization was planned there. The area was subjected to Hungarian law, many Hungarian nobles came there and had estates, the Church was put under the authority of Kalocsa, local administrators were directly appointed by the king unlike in Dalmatia-Croatia. The Slavonians at the time also had to refer to the king as the king of Hungary, while in Dalmatia-Croatia, the king was simply referred to as the king of Croatia.
 
Oct 2013
14,275
Europix
#79
it's not like old Hungary was innocent of attempting to impose at least a degree of Magyarization.
I am not innocenting nor idealizing Hungary.

As for magyarization, "Magayar Nemzet" (Hungarian nation) wasn't an ethnical concept for very long (till roughly late 18th). It included the very idea of what we call today "multiculturalism".
 

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