mysterious White Chinese Might Be Related To Roman Soldiers

Jul 2017
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Neverland
Mysterious White Chinese May Be Related To Ancient Roman Soldiers ? Did Marcus Crassus' Army Settle Down In The Gobi Desert? | Ancient Pages

Ran across a very intriguing article, devoted to white people still living in China.
The author, with a pretty uneducated brush relays the possibility , that these people might be descendent from the army of Marcus Crassus, that got defeated by the Persians and supposedly sold into slavery to the Chinese among others.

Keep in mind that these soldiers were not accompanyied by their spouses and according to the author managed to interbreed with local Chinese girls to produce " completely white" offspring.So much for alternative theories and back to reality.

Before we go to the races, let's remind ourselves that there were white people residing from the shores of the Black Sea to the borders with China.In the province of Xianjiang there are discoveries of Caucasian looking mummies, known as the Tarim Basin Mummies.Thanks to the extreme dry climate in the Gobi, these mummies have retained features from the time they were buried 2800 years ago...pale skin, light color hair etc.

Reaching for the history books, we can put a name to these "mysterious people". They are known as ...SCYTHIANS or SAKAS. All ancient sources from Herodotus to Persian, Arab, Indian-Sanscrit, Chinese authors describe them as red, brown or blond haired people with blue, green, grey eyes.

The scythians that were immediate neighbors of China were called Tokarians.
These Tokarians used to subjugate the Hsiung-Nu/bitter enemies of China/ till the Hsiung Nu liberated themselves and expelled the scythians under the leadership of Modu Chanyu/khan/.According to Chinese annals and from non other than Chenghis Khan, the Hsiung Nu were the protogenitors of moderm Mongols.They lived in Chinese type houses made of wood and wore silk garments.

Reading the history of Turkic Kyrgyzstan, we can find that red haired and blue eyed people were the original owners of these lands before Turks and later on the Mongol hordes of Chenghis Khan exterminated them.Basically all of Asiatic Scythia were either killed or pushed westward by Turks and Mongols.

I did post a thread 6-7 months ago with photos of totally white looking people still living today in China. These handful of whites are the true descendents of the ancient Scythians that used to owe the lands that nowdays speak Turkic or Chinese lingos and usually have the word...STAN ie Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Azerbaijan in their national name.

So to answer the author of the piece in her blog - NO....no Roman soldiers, but Scythians or descended of such.
 
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Matthew Amt

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Jan 2015
3,108
MD, USA
Correct, the entire concept of Roman soldiers in China is a completely modern fabrication, based on who knows what kind of delusion or illicit substances. Everything I've seen about it is the most absurd and embarrassing silliness. Pretty sure we've had at least a few threads about it already, in fact.

It's a myth that needs to be stomped to death before Hollywood makes a stupid movie out of it. Oh, wait...

Matthew
 

mariusj

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Aug 2015
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Los Angeles
Correct, the entire concept of Roman soldiers in China is a completely modern fabrication, based on who knows what kind of delusion or illicit substances. Everything I've seen about it is the most absurd and embarrassing silliness. Pretty sure we've had at least a few threads about it already, in fact.

It's a myth that needs to be stomped to death before Hollywood makes a stupid movie out of it. Oh, wait...

Matthew
They didn't drag Jackie Chen into that nonsense right? Right?
 
May 2015
305
villa of Lucullus
Who is to say that some Roman soldiers didn't make it that far. Perhaps ones captured by Parthians could have escaped or been sold as slaves in China.
 

Dreamhunter

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Jun 2012
7,575
Malaysia
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Well, let's put it this way. It is not impossible that some Romans captured by Parthians ended up in China. Nothing is impossible. But still, even if something like that actually happened, let's just say, they were definitely not in the hundreds of thousands in number, for sure, but more like several hundred, even then at the very most.

So, they or rather any progeny from them wud hv been completely absorbed & assimilated into the much bigger Chinese population of China. I mean, you wud not be finding any semi- or quasi-Roman walking around in Beijing or wherever today, two millennia from the time of Western Roman empire.
 

Dreamhunter

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Jun 2012
7,575
Malaysia
OTOH, 'whiteness', or fairness of skin complexion, is not an absolute monopoly of 'White' Europeans alone. Not a few CA Turks, Mongolians, Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, even Pakistani, Afghan & North Indian, and even the occasional South-East Asian, can be found, who are actually lighter skinned than the average European man or woman. And among those, there wud again be some with features hinting at Europoid lineage, but actually do not hv any.

Central Asia, BTW, was the playground of Indo-Iranian peoples - Tocharians among them - until a certain point in time when Turko-Mongolic peoples arrived & gradually pushed them westward & southward, while also at the same time inter-breeding with them. But even then, those Turko-Mongols also were also very fair-skinned of complexion, many of them in fact lighter skinned than the Indo-Iranians whom they progressively displaced.
 
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Naima

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Jun 2014
2,323
Venice
Mysterious White Chinese May Be Related To Ancient Roman Soldiers ? Did Marcus Crassus' Army Settle Down In The Gobi Desert? | Ancient Pages

Ran across a very intriguing article, devoted to white people still living in China.
The author, with a pretty uneducated brush relays the possibility , that these people might be descendent from the army of Marcus Crassus, that got defeated by the Persians and supposedly sold into slavery to the Chinese among others.

Keep in mind that these soldiers were not accompanyied by their spouses and according to the author managed to interbreed with local Chinese girls to produce " completely white" offspring.So much for alternative theories and back to reality.

Before we go to the races, let's remind ourselves that there were white people residing from the shores of the Black Sea to the borders with China.In the province of Xianjiang there are discoveries of Caucasian looking mummies, known as the Tarim Basin Mummies.Thanks to the extreme dry climate in the Gobi, these mummies have retained features from the time they were buried 2800 years ago...pale skin, light color hair etc.

Reaching for the history books, we can put a name to these "mysterious people". They are known as ...SCYTHIANS or SAKAS. All ancient sources from Herodotus to Persian, Arab, Indian-Sanscrit, Chinese authors describe them as red, brown or blond haired people with blue, green, grey eyes.

The scythians that were immediate neighbors of China were called Tokarians.
These Tokarians used to subjugate the Hsiung-Nu/bitter enemies of China/ till the Hsiung Nu liberated themselves and expelled the scythians under the leadership of Modu Chanyu/khan/.According to Chinese annals and from non other than Chenghis Khan, the Hsiung Nu were the protogenitors of moderm Mongols.They lived in Chinese type houses made of wood and wore silk garments.

Reading the history of Turkic Kyrgyzstan, we can find that red haired and blue eyed people were the original owners of these lands before Turks and later on the Mongol hordes of Chenghis Khan exterminated them.Basically all of Asiatic Scythia were either killed or pushed westward by Turks and Mongols.

I did post a thread 6-7 months ago with photos of totally white looking people still living today in China. These handful of whites are the true descendents of the ancient Scythians that used to owe the lands that nowdays speak Turkic or Chinese lingos and usually have the word...STAN ie Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Azerbaijan in their national name.

So to answer the author of the piece in her blog - NO....no Roman soldiers, but Scythians or descended of such.
Isn't that a legend in the Chinese books?

that said Aren't those people descendants more probably from Tocharians?
 

Matthew Amt

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Jan 2015
3,108
MD, USA
Who is to say that some Roman soldiers didn't make it that far. Perhaps ones captured by Parthians could have escaped or been sold as slaves in China.
Since this is a discussion of history, we do NOT start with some off-the-cuff wild statement and then treat it as "fact" until someone can PROVE it WRONG. That's not how it works. In fact, that's called "fantasy". It doesn't matter a damn if it's "not entirely impossible" that such a thing happened.

So the actual question is "Who is to say that some Romans DID make it that far?" And the answer is, No one! There is not a shred of worthwhile evidence. Nothing. Nada. Zippo. Zero. Null set.

The entire "theory" isn't even worthy of the name. It's fantasy, based on wishful thinking and delusion. Stomp, stomp, stomp.

Go ahead, pick out any particular argument on the issue, or so-called piece of evidence, and I'll tell you exactly what's wrong with it.

There were no Roman soldiers in China.

Matthew