Myths about Churchill: Your Thoughts?

Jul 2018
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How powerful the British Empire is doesn't matter one iota if the Soviet Union and United States are capable of beating Germany by themselves without assistance which they were collectively and probably individually.

The Soviet Union produced more tanks and artillery than Germany, Japan, and Italy put together.

During the war the Soviet Union mobilized roughly 34,476,000 men in various branches of its military apparatus. How are the axis supposed to defeat a country with such massive manpower?
Without the British and the American aid in material resource and opening other fronts, do you think that the Soviet Union had capability to defeat the Axis powers alone ? Think about the "casualty ratio" of both sides. The German army was clearly much superior than the Soviet army in overall quality, only to be "counterbalanced" by overextended supply line and numerical inferiority. A series of crushing defeats of USSR in AD 1941-42 had already displayed his appalling inferiority in military strength, usually suffering greater loss of soldiers and equipments than the counterpart even with some remarkable victories and territorial gains.

The Soviet army's terrible performance in the AD 1940 Winter War gave much confidence to Nazi Germany which ended up underestimating the Soviet capability of sustaining the war though.

So long Nazi Germany possessed and secured Ukraine and large amount of oil and other valuable metal resources either from controlled territories or importation, there was no way Germany could be defeated by USSR alone without the intervention of Great Britain and USA.
 

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Mar 2014
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As Churchill heavily favoured Bomber Harris above all reason. I would not be surprised that Harris had a favourable view of Churchill.
Except that Churchill threw Harris under the bus after Dresden, even going so far as to pointedly leave out any mention of Bomber Command or Harris in his victory speech, so I'm surprised that Harris kept such a high opinion of Churchill post-war. That alone tells me that there might be something more to the man than I've given him credit for.
 

redcoat

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Nov 2010
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But he was First Sea Lord. That means he presided over all areas of planning and executing of operations.
He was the political leader of the navy, and as such he would have left the naval aspects of the invasion to the naval commanders assigned to the operation, and he would have had zero influence on the actions of the army once it had disembarked off the ships.
 
Dec 2013
312
Arkansas
Don't know if anyone has mentioned some of these but I loved several of Churchill's little comments. Especially during World War Two.

When told that Italy was siding with the Germans he supposedly said:

"That's fair. We had them last time.".

When Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union he supposedly said:

"Pity they both can't lose."
 

Chlodio

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Aug 2016
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Churchill began his career in Parliament as a Conservative then switched to the Liberal Party. Later he switched back to the Conservatives. He said, "Anyone can rat. Only special people can re-rat."
 
Dec 2013
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Churchill began his career in Parliament as a Conservative then switched to the Liberal Party. Later he switched back to the Conservatives. He said, "Anyone can rat. Only special people can re-rat."
that reminds me of the DeQueen, AR-Nashville, AR. high school football rivalry. During one game at DeQueen, Nashville was ahead by four touchdowns at halftime. As halftime started a well known long time fanatical DeQueen booster slowly got up from his seat on the home side (DeQueen) near the 50 yard line and walked straight across the field to sit for the second half on the Nashville side. He said simply "I can't stand to lose".
 

royal744

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Jul 2013
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I admire Bomber Harris. His "sow the winds and reap the whirlwinds" quote is a classic.
Except of course, the phrase was not original with Harris. Harris also famously said in response to someone telling him that no bomber offensive had ever won a war; he answered, “no one’s tried it yet”. Well they did try and when it was all over, the Germans pretty much fought to the last bullet. Bombing at night, the RAF was very much like a blind man shooting a shotgun into the ir. Having said this, American daylight bombing wasn’t very accurate either. For precision bombing, a fleet of Mosquito bombers was called for.
 

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Except of course, the phrase was not original with Harris. Harris also famously said in response to someone telling him that no bomber offensive had ever won a war; he answered, “no one’s tried it yet”. Well they did try and when it was all over, the Germans pretty much fought to the last bullet. Bombing at night, the RAF was very much like a blind man shooting a shotgun into the ir. Having said this, American daylight bombing wasn’t very accurate either. For precision bombing, a fleet of Mosquito bombers was called for.
Those who criticize Harris for thinking he could win the war by bombing alone need to understand: He was never given the numbers he said he would require to achieve that goal. (It should also be pointed out that the strategy was settled before he became CinC of Bomber Command. He inherited the mission, he didn't invent it).
 

pugsville

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Those who criticize Harris for thinking he could win the war by bombing alone need to understand: He was never given the numbers he said he would require to achieve that goal. (It should also be pointed out that the strategy was settled before he became CinC of Bomber Command. He inherited the mission, he didn't invent it).
Given the scale of resource Bomber command got, it's pretty hard to see them getting significant larger, if Bomber Harris requiored more bombers to get teh job done then it was impossible, as it pretty much all the reosurces that could be conceivable mobilized for strategic bombing, already were,
 

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Given the scale of resource Bomber command got, it's pretty hard to see them getting significant larger, if Bomber Harris requiored more bombers to get teh job done then it was impossible, as it pretty much all the reosurces that could be conceivable mobilized for strategic bombing, already were,
Happy to continue the topic in its own thread. :)