New England secedes from the US in 1815

Futurist

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May 2014
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What if the War of 1812 would have lasted longer and New England would have decided--perhaps with British help--to secede from the US? What effects would this have had on the US, New England, Canada, Britain, the rest of North America, and the rest of the world?
 
Feb 2019
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Serbia
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The South Wins the civil war?!?!
If Britain is still at war and supports the North, the South will probably lose.

Would there have actually been a US Civil War in this scenario, though? Or, at the very least, might it be the North who will actually try to secede from the US in this scenario?
They would probably launch a rebellion if Britain is still at war and probably seek support. If they do so it is likely that the War of 1812 ends in a more concrete defeat for the US.
 
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pugsville

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Oct 2010
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some rough numbers form Wikipedia.

................................pop 1810 pop 1860
Maine ....................... 228,705 ....628,279
Vermount...................217,713.....315,098
New Hampshire.........214,360....326,073
Masschuetts .............472,040 ..1,231,066
Rhode Island ..............76,931......174,620
Connecticut..............262,042.....460,147
total...........................1,471791....3,355,283
USA. total..................7,239,881..31,443,321
%....................................20%............10.6%

US Civil Union 22 milion (0.5 slave) Confederate 9.1 (3.5 slave)
 

pugsville

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Oct 2010
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I'm not talking about the actual Civil War, I'm talking about the hypothetical one in 1815 if the North secedes and a civil war starts in 1815.
Well in 1815 the Union is pretty bankrupt financially. Can it fund the required forces to defeat a sucessionist new England. If the rest oifthe Union is solid teh New Englanders have less resources than the south did. But the Union in 1815 is pretty short of financially resources after the war of 1812.

Poloitically I have no idea what so sver of the strnegth of United in the United States. I would have thought much stronger state focus.
 
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Well in 1815 the Union is pretty bankrupt financially. Can it fund the required forces to defeat a sucessionist new England. If the rest oifthe Union is solid teh New Englanders have less resources than the south did. But the Union in 1815 is pretty short of financially resources after the war of 1812.
And this is exactly why I think the South loses. The North (New England.) wouldn't need military strength or resources even if the South could pull out something, Britain would probably have them covered on that part.
 
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pugsville

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And this is exactly why I think the South loses. The North (New England.) wouldn't need military strength or resources even if the South could pull out something, Britain would probably have them covered on that part.
Loses or fails to win. (different things) I don;t see new England being capable of projecting enough force (even with British help) to overcome the rest of the US.
The Bulk of military forces is various local Militias which I imagine would be much better motivated defensively than offensively.
Britihs help would help with arms and naval support making moving troops into New england harder to do or support but I odoubt teh British want to run a long war of invasion.

I can see new England remaining indpeednet but I do not see it extending it;s rule south.
 

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