No partition of India

Jun 2012
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chandigarh
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every state in this world is an artificial construct - France was'nt always france, Germany not always germany - Idea of Nationhood is a modern Idea something that came about in 19th century, All nation states are artificial constructs. The difference between pakistani and Indian nationhood is Pakistani nationhood relies on religion for its national Identity. Indian nationhood relies on commonality of civilization as the source of National Identity - Here is where Indian and Pakistani Identity clashes - From what we see in the world, nationhood based on religion does'nt last
 
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What would have been needed historically for British India to remain an unpartitioned state after independence? For instance, could prolonged British rule have resulted in a more unified and inclusive India?

Oh, and please keep the discussion civilized.
What might significantly help in regards to this is having Jinnah die young; after all, his fear-mongering really does appear to have stuck a chord among India's Muslim population.
 

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To keep India united, Congress had to agree to all the whim and fancies of Muhammad Ali Jinnah. An unpartitioned India would have been much like a fractured country like Lebanon is today due to communal electorate system introduced by British which was here to stay had British not partitioned India.
What about if Jinnah would have died young (for whatever reason), though?

Also, I completely agree that India is probably easier to govern as a result of partition; after all, as you said, Hindu-Muslim political disagreements in a united India could have certainly made it hard for India's government to agree on various things and thus to govern India effectively.
 

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Couldn't the Hindu-Muslim divide have been overcome by creating a more decentralized federal model for India with more regional autonomy and less focus on one strong national identity?
Probably not as late as the 1940s; after all, AFAIK, Jinnah's fear-mongering appears to have struck a chord with most Indian Muslims. Indeed, once that genie was out of the bottle, it's hard to see how exactly it can successfully be put back into the bottle.
 

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What about if Jinnah would have died young (for whatever reason), though?

Also, I completely agree that India is probably easier to govern as a result of partition; after all, as you said, Hindu-Muslim political disagreements in a united India could have certainly made it hard for India's government to agree on various things and thus to govern India effectively.
If Jinnah was not there, some other would have led the movement. I feel, had British not partitioned India, India would have a huge religious issue like Lebanon or Bosnia.
 
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Couldn't the Hindu-Muslim divide have been overcome by creating a more decentralized federal model for India with more regional autonomy and less focus on one strong national identity? Wouldn't this have prevented the emergence of two competing national identities, which at least in the case of the Muslims didn't exist before in that way.
That's actually what was settled on earlier by both Congress and Muslim League. It was undone by a chance remark of Nehru which amounted to that he would undo this federal system in favour of a union based on simple majority, once the British are gone. Jinnah never trusted Nehru again.
 

Devdas

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That's actually what was settled on earlier by both Congress and Muslim League. It was undone by a chance remark of Nehru which amounted to that he would undo this federal system in favour of a union based on simple majority, once the British are gone. Jinnah never trusted Nehru again.
Whatever was the reason, weak federation was not good thing and Congress did the right thing, League was asking for many unjustified concession, when Muslims became majority in Pakistan, they were not ready to give even 1 percent of the things to their minorities which they were asking as a minority right instead made Pakistan an Islamic Republic.
Jinnah could not be trusted, they created a system where Muhajirs and later Punjabis dominated everything despite a Bengali majority, forced Sindhis to give Karachi for national capital, the grudge of losing Karachi exist to this day. Muslim League has no regards for democracy or universal suffrage, they would have taken India into huge political mess had partition not happened.
 
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Whatever was the reason, weak federation was not good thing and Congress did the right thing, League was asking for many unjustified concession, when Muslims became majority in Pakistan, they were not ready to give even 1 percent of the things to their minorities which they were asking as a minority right instead made Pakistan an Islamic Republic.
Jinnah could not be trusted, they created a system where Muhajirs and later Punjabis dominated everything despite a Bengali majority, forced Sindhis to give Karachi for national capital, the grudge of losing Karachi exist to this day. Muslim League has no regards for democracy or universal suffrage, they would have taken India into huge political mess had partition not happened.
In fact Jinnah, who wanted partition right away, had been force fed this federal model. That breach of trust by Nehru, and subsequent formation of interim government without him had precipitated the direct action day and later violence during partition.

Partition was inevitable, only violence could have been avoided but for those mean political manoeuvres.
 

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In fact Jinnah, who wanted partition right away, had been force fed this federal model. That breach of trust by Nehru, and subsequent formation of interim government without him had precipitated the direct action day and later violence during partition.

Partition was inevitable, only violence could have been avoided but for those mean political manoeuvres.
Direct Action Day was the outcome of overconfidence of Muslim League of winning provincial election in Bengal forgetting the fact that Calcutta had a overwhelming Hindu majority.

That federal model was infact a non sense, would a turned India into countries like Bosnia or Lebanon.