No partition of India

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Thanks for the input everyone!

Couldn't the Hindu-Muslim divide have been overcome by creating a more decentralized federal model for India with more regional autonomy and less focus on one strong national identity? Wouldn't this have prevented the emergence of two competing national identities, which at least in the case of the Muslims didn't exist before in that way. Would it have helped if there were less Muslims in India (let's say if the Pashtun and Baloch areas were lost to Afghanistan after a disastrous WW1 and Third Anglo-Afghan War)?

Also, why did the unionist parties in Punjab and Sindh - who could have averted partition - lose the big support that they once had?
I really do wonder--if British India would have lost the Pashtun and Baloch areas, would Pakistan have been anywhere near as viable as it was in real life? For instance, if there would have still been a partition of India and Bangladesh would have still seceded later on (possibly with the help of India), might Sindhis in this scenario decide that they don't want to live under Punjabi domination (which would be even more severe in this scenario due to the lack of Baloch and especially Pashtun counterbalance) and thus start a rebellion and ask India for help?
 

Devdas

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What did the federal model look like?
India will be the loose federation of 3 units Hindu majority provinces, Muslim majority provinces and third unit of Bengal-Punjab. Also, units would have choice to leave the federation.
 
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India will be the loose federation of 3 units Hindu majority provinces, Muslim majority provinces and third unit of Bengal-Punjab. Also, units would have choice to leave the federation.
If Bengal-Punjab would have seceded, would it have been one country or two countries?
 

Devdas

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If Bengal-Punjab would have seceded, would it have been one country or two countries?
this plan was rejected. Bengal and Punjab has slight Muslim majority so they would have tried to join Muslim unit to form a separate country. Punjab bordered Delhi in the east.
 
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Devdas

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I really do wonder--if British India would have lost the Pashtun and Baloch areas, would Pakistan have been anywhere near as viable as it was in real life? For instance, if there would have still been a partition of India and Bangladesh would have still seceded later on (possibly with the help of India), might Sindhis in this scenario decide that they don't want to live under Punjabi domination (which would be even more severe in this scenario due to the lack of Baloch and especially Pashtun counterbalance) and thus start a rebellion and ask India for help?
baloch and pashtun population was small. only Punjabi and Bengali Muslims could make it possible.
 
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baloch and pashtun population was small. only Punjabi and Bengali Muslims could make it possible.
So, no Pashtuns and no Balochs within India wouldn't have had any impact on Pakistan's development other than that involving the butterfly effect?

this plan was rejected. Bengal and Punjab has slight Muslim majority so they would have tried to join Muslim unit to form a separate country. Punjab bordered Delhi in the east.
Which side rejected this plan?

Also, I thought that having Bengal and Punjab join either of the other two units was forbidden by this plan?
 

Devdas

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So, no Pashtuns and no Balochs within India wouldn't have had any impact on Pakistan's development other than that involving the butterfly effect?


Which side rejected this plan?

Also, I thought that having Bengal and Punjab join either of the other two units was forbidden by this plan?
Pashtun and Baloch have no obsession against Hindus, racially they are not Indians.
 
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Devdas

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So, even nowadays they are a force for moderation in Pakistan?
Its not about moderation. They don't have historical connection to India, Baloch and Pashtuns were subjugated into joining the British Empire. Also, Pakistan India obsession is mainly a Punjabi thing, even their army is Punjabi dominated. Even Sindhis feel cheated by the Pakistan project as their main cities flooded by outsider. Many Sindhis have mild separatist feeling and they mock the icon of Pakistani nationalism like Arab conquest of Sindh, unlike other Pakistanis they feel proud about King Dahir the last Hindu king of Sindh.
 
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Why are Punjabis so India-phobic? I mean, Bengal also experienced a partition and yet Bangladeshis aren't India-phobic--are they?