No western involvement in the Soviet-Afghan war

Nov 2013
582
Kingdom of Sweden
#1
What if, during the Soviet-Afghan war of 1979-1989, the United States and other involved western countries were led by sane leaders that staunchly refused to support the Afghan Mujahideen? How differently would the Soviets fare in Afghanistan? And should the Soviets emerge victorious, how would the Cold War as a whole (and indeed, the Soviet Union as a nation) proceed?
 
Jul 2016
9,676
USA
#2
What if, during the Soviet-Afghan war of 1979-1989, the United States and other involved western countries were led by sane leaders that staunchly refused to support the Afghan Mujahideen? How differently would the Soviets fare in Afghanistan? And should the Soviets emerge victorious, how would the Cold War as a whole (and indeed, the Soviet Union as a nation) proceed?
The US provided less support than the KSA, Qatar, other Gulf States, etc. Saudi Arabia alone actually matched, dollar for dollar, everything the US provided, and they could have done far more. Most of the weaponry given to the Muj came from Middle Eastern countries, and even the Stinger (which wasn't that big of a deal) could have been substituted with Soviet designed MANPADs that various Arabs already had.
 
May 2015
1,055
The Netherlands
#3
What if, during the Soviet-Afghan war of 1979-1989, the United States and other involved western countries were led by sane leaders that staunchly refused to support the Afghan Mujahideen? How differently would the Soviets fare in Afghanistan? And should the Soviets emerge victorious, how would the Cold War as a whole (and indeed, the Soviet Union as a nation) proceed?
The impact on the Soviet-Afghan War would have been limited, due to the support provided by Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc. However, there would be interesting implications elsewhere, especially in the US. The 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center probably wouldn't have occured and neither would have the 1998 US embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.
 

Devdas

Ad Honorem
Apr 2015
4,687
India
#4
Things would have gone quietly. Although Pakistan had been interfering in Afghanistan even before Americans. Historically, anti-Pakistan feeling had always been strong in Afghanistan due to Durand Line Dispute and Pakistan always sought after instability in Afghanistan to that Afghans should not raise Durand Line Dispute.
 
Nov 2013
582
Kingdom of Sweden
#5
Seeing as I may have overestimated western involvement in the Soviet-Afghan War, I'd like to ask the second question again, somewhat rephrased; if the Soviets emerge victorious, how would the Cold War as a whole (and indeed, the Soviet Union as a nation) proceed? Would an early and easy Soviet victory in Afghanistan have any decisive effects on Soviet stability in future years? Would it have any effect at all on the rest of the world and the Cold War?
 

Naomasa298

Forum Staff
Apr 2010
35,023
T'Republic of Yorkshire
#6
The US provided less support than the KSA, Qatar, other Gulf States, etc. Saudi Arabia alone actually matched, dollar for dollar, everything the US provided, and they could have done far more. Most of the weaponry given to the Muj came from Middle Eastern countries, and even the Stinger (which wasn't that big of a deal) could have been substituted with Soviet designed MANPADs that various Arabs already had.
During that era, Qatar wasn't getting involved in world affairs like it does today. It was a hugely undeveloped country . The era of involvement only began after the emir Sheik Khalifa was overthrown and replaced with his son Sheik Hamad in 1995.
 
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Jul 2016
9,676
USA
#7
Seeing as I may have overestimated western involvement in the Soviet-Afghan War, I'd like to ask the second question again, somewhat rephrased; if the Soviets emerge victorious, how would the Cold War as a whole (and indeed, the Soviet Union as a nation) proceed? Would an early and easy Soviet victory in Afghanistan have any decisive effects on Soviet stability in future years? Would it have any effect at all on the rest of the world and the Cold War?
The Cold War ended because the Soviet Union collapsed. The Soviets losing or winning in Afghanistan is immaterial, the Soviet Union was already starting to fracture before they got involved in Afghanistan. Besides that, what does the Soviets "winning" in Afghanistan even mean? Soviet involvement in Afghanistan was to prevent their client govt from being overthrown by an insurgency that started before Charlie Wilson was ever able to point out Afghanistan on a map. But what does a secure pro-USSR Afghanistan gain the Soviet Union that could help it survive down the road?