Opportunities for an ordinary person to stop Hitler after 1889 without losing his/her life in the process

AlpinLuke

Ad Honoris
Oct 2011
25,534
Italy, Lago Maggiore
#41
A part that this thread could stay in speculative history as well, the real point wasn't to stop Hitler. If not Hitler someone else [a guy called "Meier" or "Auflauf"] would have played that role. It was only a matter of time. We can say that being Germany a Republic it took more time than Italy to become a dictatorship [here the King almost welcomed Mussolini as "strong man" to ensure that in Italy no Socialist Revolution happened ...].

So, a more realistic answer is:

a better government of the Republic + an external aid [regarding the punishments imposed to Germany after WWI].

Without the suitable context Hitler, or Meier or Auflauf would have remained a leader of an extremist party without great possibilities to get the power.
 
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Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
16,704
SoCal
#42
An ordinary motivated person could assassinate Hitler nd have a high probability of getting away with it.

Whats teh connection to Hitler? Reasonably killing Hitler in 1919 the police at the time are not going to connect someone with no oblivious connection to Hitler if it's well planned assassination.
You'd have to do it at a time when no one would actually see you, though.
 

mark87

Ad Honorem
Jan 2014
2,004
Santiago de Chile
#45
Some thoughts. 1. Marrying a woman wouldn't have solved anything, the man had Eva Braun for at least a decade and it didn't help at all. 2. The Bohemian Corporal was not radicalized by world war I, he was so messed up it basically did not greatly affect him and he considered it the high point of his life before being given absolute dictatorial powers. 3. There was an opportunity (which Hitler himself realized) during the great war for his death (several actually) when a British soldier had him in his scope and decided to not pull the trigger. (I vaguely remember this story debunked but I'll have to check). 4. Hitler was ''radicalized'' in his worldview and antisemitism (at least according to Ian Kershaw) in Vienna when he lived there under the ''rule'' of a very antisemitic mayor Kurt Lueger not to mention his almost pauper like social status at the time which further explains his zeitgeist. 5. I believe the ''easiest'' and best way to stop Hitler is also the most logical or simple of all, either at the outbreak of world war I be deported to Austria-Hungary (there was zero legal reason to allow him to join the Bavarian forces) or after the war for the Free State of Brunswick not give him German citizenship which at the time impeded him from running and taking public office. 6. Another option is for one of his ''comrades'' to just straight up ''accidentally'' shoot him when going over the top or something.
 
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Feb 2019
318
Pennsylvania, US
#48
That would all sound well, but is this actually going to be enough for him to get accepted by the Austrian/Viennese art academy?
This was 1930's... just nudge him slightly towards abstract art (which he hated, but you know, buy him a few drinks)... if the Academy wouldn't accept him for his bland, neoclassical paintings, maybe the modern "art scene" may have embraced him. ;) Let his air of exclusivity be more that of an eccentric artist... let him express his emotions artistically and not... "genocide-ally".
 
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Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
16,704
SoCal
#49
This was 1930's... just nudge him slightly towards abstract art (which he hated, but you know, buy him a few drinks)... if the Academy wouldn't accept him for his bland, neoclassical paintings, maybe the modern "art scene" may have embraced him. ;) Let his air of exclusivity be more that of an eccentric artist... let him express his emotions artistically and not... "genocide-ally".
I'm unsure that buying Hitler a few drinks and getting him drunk is actually going to make him embrace abstract art, though. :(

Here is a speech that Hitler gave at the Degenerate Art Exhibition in 1937 that summarized his views on abstract art:

GHDI - Document

The speech itself is seven pages long in the link above.
 
Feb 2019
318
Pennsylvania, US
#50
I'm unsure that buying Hitler a few drinks and getting him drunk is actually going to make him embrace abstract art, though. :(

Here is a speech that Hitler gave at the Degenerate Art Exhibition in 1937 that summarized his views on abstract art:

GHDI - Document

The speech itself is seven pages long in the link above.
Oh, trust me, I've seen his government "approved" art - and know how he feels about anything parting from the romanticism and representationalism he championed... Maybe he needed something heavier to tap into the changing views on the subconscious that sparked modern art movements (the subconscious being studied by an Austrian made it no less unappealing to Hitler, even though he used it's mechanisms regularly in propaganda)... :lol:

Honestly, it would be interesting to see if you could get Hitler to emote in a real way and infuse that into his work... his paintings are just pretty (which usually is the worst word to hear about your art) and rather lifeless... but not horrible. An ordinary person can usually help someone learn to address their emotions and channel that into art (I've had countless teachers do this)... but, was Hitler an ordinary person with real emotions (i.e. not a psychopath)?
 
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