Origins of Slavs: Archaeology, Linguistics, Anthropology, History

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On the other hand, Romans praised character traits - the faithfullness of barbarian women, democratic lifestyle (in case of Slavs), etc.

Tacitus wrote that Germanic women - unlike Roman women - did not develop a habit of cheating on their husbands with random men.
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And here I always thought of ancient chroniclers such as Tacitus as men of means who could keep the missus attired in the latest fashion....
 
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On the other hand, Romans praised character traits - the faithfullness of barbarian women, democratic lifestyle (in case of Slavs), etc.

Tacitus wrote that Germanic women - unlike Roman women - did not develop a habit of cheating on their husbands with random men.
For roman origin there is another topic this is for slavic.
 
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As reported by some authors ancient ancestors of the Slavs had a lower material culture from their neighbors: "They live in miserable huts, scattered from one another and always moving from one place to another. Lead a dowdy and are always full of dirt. These nations, anti and sclavinii are not driven by one man, but living in the order of seniority in a democratic and therefore their business, both favorable and unfavorable ones are always discussed things in common "(Procopius of Cesareea, About wars, VII, 14, 22-24).


Of the three branches of the Slavs (the west - the Czechs, the Poles, the east-Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Slovaks, south, Slovenes, Serbs, slavobulgarii) only southern branch settled in the Eastern Roman Empire. The other two branches occupied territories left by migratory German or foreigner, after migration to Western Europe and south.

More primitive than the Germans, Slavs lived in smelly swamps and anointed his face with soot mosquito. The Germans caught both servants of the Slavs, that the word "Slav" came to mean "slave".

Now i understand why Hitler wanted to make all slavic people slaves and believed they are good for slaves. I was always wondering.


Other ancient authors who remind Slavs are Pliny, Tacitus, Ptolemy, Pseudo-Caesars, Jordanes, Procopius of Caesarea, Pseudo-Mauricios, Menander Protector, Theophilactos Simocatta and Theophanes Confessor.

As a funerary rite, Slavs used the cremation remains of the dead in urns or deposited directly into pits, accompanied by inventory items (jewelry, accessories and offerings) in barrow tombs or plane, as seen in the vast necropolis of Sărata Monteoru (containing 1,500 graves).

Slavic settlement:


domen:All barbarians were described the same way - as dirty people with children running around naked - by Roman historians
1. Why the slavs didn't used their own historians Domen?
2. Wrong. The dacians were not describe like that by many greco-roman historians.
 
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Pseudo-Caesars, Jordanes, Procopius of Caesarea, Pseudo-Mauricios, Menander Protector, Theophilactos Simocatta and Theophanes Confessor.
In period from 6th century AD to 8th century AD authors describing Slavic migrations are for example these ones:

- Procopius of Caesarea
- Jordanes
- Menandros Protector, "Legationibus" and "Sententiis"
- Emperor Maurice, "Strategikon"
- John of Ephesus, "Historia Ecclesiastica"
- Pseudo-Caesarius of Nazianzus
- The Chronicle of Fredegar
- Theofylaktos Simokattes, "Oikumenike Historia"
- Miracula Sancti Demetri
- Constantine Porphyrogennetos
- Paul the Deacon, "Historia Longobardorum"
- Saxo Grammaticus, "Gesta Danorum"
- various Scandinavian Sagas, including Heimskringla

As well as various Arab / Muslim sources.

Theophanes Confessor.
What is the name of his work ???

Pliny, Tacitus, Ptolemy,
They do not describe Slavs, but only "hypothetical ancestors of Slavs".

1. Why the slavs didn't used their own historians Domen?
They did use their own historians, but in the early period of their history.

Slavic settlement:
Some more examples of Slavic settlements:









 
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Procopius, "History of the Wars", VI., xxvi. 16-26 (translation by H. B. Dewing), mentions Slavic foederati serving in the Byzantine Army:

Procopius said:
(...) Now the Romans were distressed no less than the Goths, because they had been carrying on such a long siege in a deserted land, and they were completely baffled at seeing the barbarians refusing to give in to them although involved in so much suffering. In view of this situation Belisarius was eager to capture alive one of the men of note among the enemy, in order that he might learn what the reason might be why the barbarians were holding out in their desperate situation. And Valerian promised readily to perform such a service for him. For there were some men in his command, he said, from the nation of the Sclaveni, who are accustomed to conceal themselves behind a small rock or any bush which may happen to be near and pounce upon an enemy. In fact, they are constantly practising this in their native haunts along the river Ister, both on the Romans and on the barbarians as well. Belisarius was pleased by this suggestion and bade him see that the thing was done with all speed. So Valerian chose out one of the Sclaveni who was well suited as to size of body and especially active, and commanded him to bring a man of the enemy, assuring him that he would receive a generous reward from Belisarius. And he added that he could do this easily in the place where the grass was, because for a long time past the Goths had been feeding upon this grass, since their provisions were exhausted. So this barbarian at earlv dawn went close to the fortifications, and hiding himself in a bush and drawing his body into small compass, he remained in concealment near the grass. And at daybreak a Goth came there and began hastily to gather the blades of grass, suspecting no harm from the bush, but looking about frequently toward the enemy's camp, lest anyone should attack him from there. Then the barbarian, falling unexpectedly upon the Goth from behind, made him captive, holding him tightly about the waist with both hands, and thus carried him to the camp and handed him over to Valerian. And when he questioned the prisoner, asking what basis of confidence and what assurance the Goths could possibly have that they were absolutely unwilling to yield to the Romans, but were voluntarily enduring the most dreadful suffering, the Goth told Valerian the whole truth concerning Burcentius, and when he was brought before him he proved his guilt. As for Burcentius, when he perceived that he had been already found out, he concealed nothing of what he had done. Wherefore Belisarius handed him over to his comrades to do with him as they wished, and they not long afterwards burned him alive, the enemy looking on as they did so. (...)
 
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From the East - History Of The Early Slavs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A8ifZOd38w

Procopius of Cesareea in war with the Goths and said that anti sclavinii live in " democratic order " and believe in one god , "the only ruler of all things. Apart from this , believe and other river deities and nymphs .They live in miserable huts , scattered from one another , and often move from one place to another.They tall and stout , swarthy skin and ruddy hair , some with a very simple clothing - only some pants to parties shameful - and lead a rough life and unkempt , always being filled with dirt. No malice or cunning , but , in their simplicity , keep the way of being of the Huns . They fought mostly pedeştrii , their weapons and shields consisting of lances , and do not use armor . "

Theopilact Simocata in Maurikios 's history , that the Slavs did not carry weapons because it knew iron , showing that they " do not even know war" unlike Procopius , who is deeply outraged by massacres and violence caused by Slavic tribes .

Sancti miraculous Demetris , writing hagiography composed of two actual works , written in the interval between the beginning of the seventh century and the end of the eighth century, presents a different picture. In the first paper , written by John of Thessalonica , the Slavs are regarded with hatred by the indigenous population , they are , in their opinion , those who " ... have dried up rivers and streams in the desert turned robbed and destroyed a lot of settlements , occupied and destroyed many churches " , sometimes being identified with a real plague . For the second paper , written by an anonymous reviewer , things are less nuanced in that, although it maintains image uncivilized and violent conquerors appear favorable image elements Slavs , especially those related to good relationships that they maintain with locals . In other news , but very important , the work captures the beginning of the assimilation suffered by the Slavs , a phenomenon that will run without notable incident .

 
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believe in one god , "the only ruler of all things.
I don't recall him writing this. In which fragment did he write this? From other sources we know that Slavic tribes had many gods, but these are later sources and refer to West and East Slavs, not to South ones (those described by Procopius and other early sources were South Slavs).

This picture shows a considerable number of old people.

It does not seem realistic considering the average age at death of adult Slavic people (those after reaching 18 years of age):

All data refers to burials from period 7th - 12th centuries:

East Slavs:

1132 skeletons from 6 cemeteries, average age 38,5 years old (local averages from 6 cemeteries between 36 years and 40 years)

West Slavs:

From area of modern Germany - 836 skeletons from 4 cemeteries, average age 34,8 years old
From area of modern Poland - 3853 skeletons from 9 cemeteries, average age 38,2 years old
From area of modern Czech Republic and Slovakia - 26 cemeteries - 42,6 years old
From area of Slovakia 7th - 8th centuries - 1652 skeletons from 4 cemeteries - 40,9 years old
From area of Slovakia 9th - 10th centuries - 328 skeletons from 5 cemeteries - 43,9 years old
From area of Slovakia 10th - 12th centuries - 552 skeletons from 7 cemeteries - 43,1 years old

Local averages for Western Slavs - 32 to 41 years old, shortest lifespan for those from area of modern Germany.

South Slavs:

Slovenia - 870 skeletons from 6 cemeteries - 44,9 years old
Serbia - 729 skeletons from 4 cemeteries - 45,6 years old
Croatia - 869 skeletons from 4 cemeteries - 39,6 years old

Bulgaria, men - 376 skeletons from 6 cemeteries - 44,1 years old
Bulgaria, women - 376 skeletons from 6 cemeteries - 41,6 years old

Local averages for Southern Slavs between 42 and 45,5 years old.

Source: "Antropologia o pochodzeniu Słowian", Poznań 2008; chart 20: "Przeciętny wiek w chwili śmierci osobnika dorosłego w populacjach wczesnośredniowiecznych Słowian wschodnich, zachodnich i południowych" ("Average age at death of adult people in Early Medieval populations of East, West and South Slavs").
 
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This picture shows a considerable number of old people.

It does not seem realistic considering the average age at death of adult Slavic people (those after reaching 18 years of age):
Maybe you will like the ones added in this post.



domen This claim has been discredited already during the 19th century.

The original homeland of Slavs was in Ukraine, not in Belarus ("smelly swamps").
More primitive than the Germans, Slavs lived in smelly swamps and anointed his face with soot mosquito. The Germans caught both servants of the Slavs, that the word "Slav" came to mean "slave".

Ukraine didn't have "smelly swamps"?

I was wondering, this is why that mad man Hitler wanted to make from slavic people slaves for the rest of Europe..i am not sure?
 

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Ukraine didn't have "smelly swamps"?
No. It had deciduous forest and wooded steppe (forest-steppe zone), as well as steppe in the southern part.

Slavic habitats were in that forest-steppe zone (deciduous forest and wooded steppe).

What makes you think that they lived in "smelly swamps", except for your apparent hatred of Slavic people?

Maybe you will like the ones added in this post.
These pictures have not accurate reconstructions of houses. Such type was found only in territory of modern Bosnia.
 
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