Origins of Slavs: Archaeology, Linguistics, Anthropology, History

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From "De Administrando Imperio" by Constantine Porphyrogennetos:

"(...) Therefore everyone, who would like to do research about Dalmatia, can read herein about the way how the Slavic peoples took it. The Croats with their families came to Dalmatia and found the Avars in possesson of that land. After fighting against each other for some time, the Croats defeated the Avars, partially murdered them and partially forced them to submissiveness. Since that moment the country was seized by the Croats. (...)"

The historians who believe in this theory.
No serious historians believe in this theory.

Slavic people were agriculturalists (farmers + animal husbandry) and they were described as being very numerous even by early sources.

Swamps are (1) - impossible for agriculture and (2) - they cannot sustain and feed large populations.

On the other hand, forest-steppe zone of Ukraine is a perfect area for farming.

US Department of Agriculture classifies soils of forest-steppe zone of Ukraine as having "high resilience" and "high productiveness".
 
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Swamps like original born place. Possible that those historians were not right?!

I don't understand why you make them more good that they were?

At first they were far inferior to other contemporary civilizations. Fact.

Scientists tend to place in the Ukrainian swamps birthplace of Slavic


From the works of Byzantine authors know that the early sixth century or even the late fifth century in the Byzantine Empire began to penetrate the Slavs from the north, across the Danube . These historians insist hard to blacken the " barbarians " as they called the Slavic Byzantine authors , qualifying them as the most dangerous enemies of the Byzantine Empire. However, the authors Byzantine data are valuable in certain respects . They knew the Slavs under different names : anti , sclavini , Venezi ( Vinit ) .

Jordanes , History of the Goths ( sixth century ) , and other authors wrote , as anti and sclavinii form one people , speaking the same language . " Sclavinii - Jordanes wrote - Danastr live up to , and north up the Vistula . In its place were puddles cities and forests. Anti But the bravest of them living where Pontus ( Black Sea ) forms a turning point in Danastr wide areas and up to Danapr " So then , as described by Jordanes , the boundary between sclavini and anti crossed the Dniester . Sclavinii ancestors are Western Slavs and Antes Eastern Slavs are ancestors .
Since then the Slavs was well developed agriculture. Byzantine authors communicate that they have more " fruits of the earth " , which keeps them in stacks .

Since ancient authors find that Slavs across the Danube , ie the territory and Moldova and Romania today , committed only beginning incursions on Byzantine lands , and then they began to settle there. One author writes: " In our sight the entire peninsula to Slavicized " .
 
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Possible that those historians were not right?!
Which historians ??? Surnames?

Byzantine authors communicate that they have more " fruits of the earth "
Quotations ???

And what kinds of "fruits of the earth" can be found in "smelly swamps" ???

Early Slavs are described as agriculturalists by all sources.

Proso was the typical grain type (but not the only one) of early Slavic people as archaeology reveals:

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proso_millet"]Proso millet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
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Sclavinii ancestors are Western Slavs and Antes Eastern Slavs are ancestors.
Not quite.

Western Slavs were Venedi / Vinidi. Sclaveni / Sclavini were Southern Slavs, and Antes were Eastern Slavs.

In German sources Western Slavs were "Wenden" or "Winden" and Slavic language "Wendisch" or "Windisch".
 
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The Germans caught both servants of the Slavs, that the word "Slav" came to mean "slave".
The Germans ???

This word originated among the Byzantines (Greek: σκλάβα = skláva / σκλάβες = skláves), not among the Germans.

This is also why the word is "slave" rather than "wende" and "slaves" rather than "wendes".

This means that the word originates from your "blood brothers" (you mutually assimilated each others, after all) - South Slavs.

Ottoman Janissaries were later recruited from such slaves.

research on inventories assigned to slavs revealed huts and huts housing type
Semi-dugout was the main housing type from the British Isles to the Ural Mountains in that period (Early Middle Ages / Dark Ages).

Iron Age Przeworsk Culture's houses were also half-dugouts, but slightly different in shape than Early Medieval Slavic ones.

The myth about entire villages full of "Germanic longhouses" is nothing more than a myth.

95% of all buildings in the Przeworsk Culture (which is claimed to be Germanic by German historians) were semi-dugouts.

I already posted pictures showing typical houses of Germanic Saxons (and Angles, and Jutes) - they were also semi-dugouts.

pottery mostly by hand
Potter's wheel was also unknown among Germanic Saxons of the Dark Ages - as archaeologist and historian Bryan Ward-Perkins has proven.

So contrary to what various falsifiers of history claim, lack of potter's wheel usage was not an "exclusively Slavic" characteristic.

If it really was Slavic, then this would mean that British Isles were invaded by Slavic people, rather than by Anglo-Saxons.

BTW - until recently Proso millet was considered to be an exclusively Slavic type of grain when it comes to Migrations Period Europe.

But recently Proso millet was discovered en masse in Late Ancient settlements which are believed to be Germanic Gothic.
 
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Precisely South Slavs - Sklavenoi.

but how it Slavs became synonymous with slaves
You tried to pursue a falsified agenda saying that English word "slaves" has German origins.

While it has Greek (Byzantine) origins - from word σκλάβες (skláves).

The oldest German names for Slavic people was "die Wenden". That's because they met Western Slavs - Wenedi - first.

As Jordanes (who lived in the 500s) wrote, Slavic people were initially divided into 3 major groups - Sklaveni, Antes and Venedi:

Jordanes said:
These people, as we started to say at the beginning of our account or catalogue of nations, though off-shoots from one stock, have now three names, that is, Venedi, Antes and Sklaveni. (...) they now rage in war far and wide, in punishment for our sins (...) Though their names are now dispersed amid various clans and places, yet they are chiefly called Sklaveni and Antes.
He added "chiefly called Sklaveni and Antes" - because only Sklaveni and Antes penetrated into the Eastern Roman Empire.

In the 6th century Venedi did not reach the Roman border - they expanded to the north of the Carpathian Mountains, and had no direct contact with the Romans. On the other hand, Venedi had direct contact with Saxons and other Germanic tribes from area of modern Germany.

This is why the original German word for Slavs was "die Wenden", alternatively "die Winden".
 
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Byzantines were the first group who captured large number of Slavic people into slavery.

Already during the 600s there were punitive expeditions by Byzantine army to recover the Balkans from Slavic domination.

As the result of those punitive expeditions, large numbers of Slavic Prisoners Of War (captives / slaves) were captured.

On the other hand, first West Slavic POWs could be seen only during the 800s (maybe late 700s) - due to Frankish Empire's eastward expansion.

So your claim that word "slaves" originates from West Slavic captives captured by Germans, is falsified.

It originates from South Slavic captives, captured during punitive expeditions into the Balkans by the Byzantine Empire.

During the 600s we also see Byzantine Emperors colonizing areas in Bithynia (Asia Minor) with Slavic captives, but also with Slavic foederati.

Later 5,000 Slavic mercenaries + their families settled in Syria. Many of those mercenaries were former Byzantine soldiers.

Slavic soldiers in Byzantine armies were either foederati (allies), or captives / slaves (like later Janissaries in Ottoman Turkish armies).
 
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"Slaves" is a Greek word - "skláves" - later adopted into other, non-Greek languages.

It is just a confusion?
No it is not a confusion. Greek word "skláves" - meaning "slaves" - comes from the ethnic name of South Slavic tribes - "Sklaveni".

The reason for this were punitive expeditions of Byzantine Emperors during the 600s, organized to end Slavic domination in the Balkans. During those punitive expeditions Byzantines captured many prisoners of war, later settled some of them in Asia Minor and other parts of the Empire.

On the other hand, Eastern branch of Slavic people were "Antes" and Western branch of Slavic people were "Venedi" - as Jordanes writes.

Some of the "Antes" also migrated into Balkans (Polish archaeologist Z. Kurnatowska even distinguishes "Sklaveni" settlements from "Antes" settlements - basing on differences in material culture), but "Sklaveni" were more numerous, which is why they gave name to entire peoples.

Original German name for Slavic people - "die Wenden" (and Slavic language: "Wendisch") - comes from West Slavic "Venedi".
 
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