Otto von Bismarck dies before 1862

Kotromanic

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Why Bruce?
Well, if one is a fan of the Electric Light Orchestra: there is a bit of parallelism between the band members of ELO being swindled by their manager Bruce (see lyrics: "Don't Let Me Down") and the terrible return which the German Nazis got on their investment into the Tirpitz and the Bismarck.
 

Menshevik

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Well, if one is a fan of the Electric Light Orchestra: there is a bit of parallelism between the band members of ELO being swindled by their manager Bruce (see lyrics: "Don't Let Me Down") and the terrible return which the German Nazis got on their investment into the Tirpitz and the Bismarck.
That's what those lyrics refer to?! I never knew. :nerd:
 

stevev

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Less iron, more blood. Reason: Bismarck pushed through unification on his own terms. Without him there would have been more extended fighting driven by various factions: weak vs strong central government, big Germany (Mitteleuropa) vs small Germany and Catholic vs Protestant. Interventions by France, probably successful, would no doubt have occured. Before Bismarck, Prussia couldn't even defeat Denmark (First Schleswig War).
 
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I think there still would have been some sort of German unification. It may have been a different entity in regards to it's borders.

On another note, George MacDonald Fraser would not have written 'Royal Flash'. ;)
 
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Less iron, more blood. Reason: Bismarck pushed through unification on his own terms. Without him there would have been more extended fighting driven by various factions: weak vs strong central government, big Germany (Mitteleuropa) vs small Germany and Catholic vs Protestant. Interventions by France, probably successful, would no doubt have occured. Before Bismarck, Prussia couldn't even defeat Denmark (First Schleswig War).
In such a case, is there a piece missing for WWI to occur? No unified Germany= No WWI?
 
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stevev

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In such a case, is there a piece missing for WWI to occur? No unified Germany= No WWI?
Yes. There might have been smaller wars but some kind of German Federation would be less likely to be so militaristic. However there could still have been a Great Depression. That was the real driving force behind WWII which we would then just call the World War.
 
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