Outside powers and the 1971 India-Pakistan War

Oct 2015
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India
#31
India is a democratic country with a policy which is non-expansionist, non-aggressive.

As time goes, more & more smaller nations should develop a liking for collaboration with India on Military aspects. This should happen in Africa and South America for sure. Perhaps also in Middle East.

However, for this economy has to at least double in size and defence manufacturing has to improve. Takes about 7 years.
 
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Apr 2018
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India
#32
India is a democratic country with a policy which is non-expansionist, non-aggressive.

As time goes, more & more smaller nations should develop a liking for collaboration with India on Military aspects. This should happen in Africa and South America for sure. Perhaps also in Middle East.

However, for this economy has to at least double in size and defence manufacturing has to improve. Takes about 7 years.
India is somewhat like the US. Democratic, secular, non-expansionist, everything for freedom etc etc. Behind the curtains we play our share of games, some clean, some dirty. So far we've been able to keep the typical 'clever bastard' reputation, which is good enough for business.

The main problem is reliability. The 7 years you mentioned are being taken for the past 70 years and still Pakistan has a better domestic military industrial complex than us. We're probably the only ones in the world who can design their own nuclear subs but has to buy diesel-electrics. We send probes to Mars but our jets take 30 years to fly. This makes us look weird at best. Now we know the cliches - 'It's because of corruption', 'It's because of politics', 'It's because of kickbacks' and blablabla but, the thing is, nobody cares. "You're talented, but inefficient, hence unproductive, end of story."

Last to last year Bangladesh bought 2 refurbished Ming class boats from China and all (especially our stupid media) lost their minds. Some armchair qazis even went as far as commenting like - 'It would have been okay if they had bought from Russia'. But about a year or two back somewhere I read (can't find it right now, sorry) that long back the Bongs actually came to us for Subs. India, literally neck deep in mud with its own ageing sub fleet (scorpenes appeared in the Navy's thought bubbles back then) gave a billion dollar advice - "Check with the Russians". Literally translates to - "Mere paas nahi hai, saat samandar paar mere bhai k dukaan me dekho". Any customer would be like "Ouuuu.......kkaayyy"!!!

Then the Ecuadorian Dhruv saga. Sold at subsidized rate, no spares, half the fleet lost in accidents, the other half forever grounded, one high ranking army official murdered......sweet. Okay now lets see - 'lots of corporate arm twisting by Americans, especially Bell', 'amateur pilots', 'look what we do with our Dhruvs' etc etc bla, bla and bla. But the bottom line - 'Got one good business opportunity, lost it miserably'. Customers pay, they are not expected to consider your whinnings. Bell doesn't whine, and their birds have been flying for half a century, end of debate.

75% subsidized INSAS for Royal Nepal Army and we all know how that ended. Same story - 'manhandling by soldiers', 'not properly taken care of'. And Nepal was like - "Yes sir, ji sir, gospel truth sir, we understand sir, thank u sir, see u sir, byeeee!!!! Chinese AKs please, they don't need maintenance and get the job done." They actually bought a consignment in 2010.

Yes, Mauritius and Sri Lanka are happy with Patrol Boats, Peru is okay with their air ambulance Dhruvs, Indonesians are probably happy with their WLRs but you can't really call these once in a blue moon sales established businesses. Moreover, if these are success stories nowhere do I see that they are being used judiciously for marketing. And in this world, those who trade in military products get all the associated fruits. China has moved way ahead in this field, Pakistanis are also moving ahead. Unless India proves itself as a reliable business entity of military products, not many will see us as potential partners for collaboration.

Till that day, happy joint exercising, happy trainning and happy whinning.