Overpopulation and aging population?

VHS

Ad Honorem
Dec 2015
4,283
Brassicaland
#1
While we seem to have extended the work lives of many people well into their 70s, we definitely have not achieved negligible senescence YET.
Here, the aging population is still a threat for our fiscal future.
Some have suggested sharing the income from robotic works and productions.
On the other hand, the developing world is still facing massive overpopulation.
To deny that Nigeria, Bangladesh, and India are overpopulated is like living in the dreamland.
It might be too soon to say the baby boomers are dying, but it will be coming.
Capsula mundi might be a great idea for the "death boom".
Capsula Mundi
 
Sep 2016
3
Derbyshire, UK
#2
This is interesting. I have never heard of such a way to be buried but it is different; the tree planted on top of the pod is unique.
Overpopulation is an issue as the world can only hold so many people; I see why China has laws of child restrictions.
People tend to forget that the room in the world is limited and if people keep having more than 5 children, they are responsible for overcrowding. I think the number of children worldwide should be limited.
 
Aug 2016
136
Virginia
#3
China's problem now is not overpopulation, but underpopulation. They don't have enough young people (either native born or immigrants) to support the old due to their one child policy.
 

heylouis

Ad Honorem
Apr 2013
6,397
China
#4
China's problem now is not overpopulation, but underpopulation. They don't have enough young people (either native born or immigrants) to support the old due to their one child policy.
but that is not "underpopulation", that is over aging.

underpopulation is like ... japan, where young people do not want to have babies, not even to get marriage.

china's over aging, is one step of the overpopulation. one generation (unluckily, mine) has to do more job to take over this step.

you can take it as a oscillation. to overcome overpopulation, we have to limit birth rate, then sometime over, we need to promote a slight larger birth rate. hopefully, we do not need another circle of this. underpopulation, in another way, is one straight way down. this is the typical problem of japan. their economics has not show any sign of getting better for years.
 

VHS

Ad Honorem
Dec 2015
4,283
Brassicaland
#5
but that is not "underpopulation", that is over aging.

underpopulation is like ... japan, where young people do not want to have babies, not even to get marriage.

china's over aging, is one step of the overpopulation. one generation (unluckily, mine) has to do more job to take over this step.

you can take it as a oscillation. to overcome overpopulation, we have to limit birth rate, then sometime over, we need to promote a slight larger birth rate. hopefully, we do not need another circle of this. underpopulation, in another way, is one straight way down. this is the typical problem of japan. their economics has not show any sign of getting better for years.
The unfortunate fact is: the previous generation is too big to tackle....
The fortunate fact is: the birth rate already drops to controllable level.
As far as Japan is concerned, their issue is NOT quite the underpopulation; rather, it is the declining quality of the population.
If you use the concept of Global Hectare, Japan is quite overpopulated!
Ecological Footprint
per capita
5.0
GHA

Biocapacity
per capita
0.7
GHA

BIOCAPACITY
CREDIT(+)/DEFICIT(-)
-4.3
GHA



China is slightly better:

Ecological Footprint
per capita
3.4
GHA

Biocapacity
per capita
0.9
GHA

BIOCAPACITY
CREDIT(+)/DEFICIT(-)
-2.4
GHA
 
Nov 2009
3,865
Outer world
#6
As for Europe:
> population is aging! Birthrates are dropping!
> automation has already kicked in and in 20 years it will change the world around
> somehow the first point is then a problem and we need to keep up instead of welcoming lower levels of population

Said that, overpopulation problem is Africa: they are multiplying at rates never seen before and that's crippling their own countries.
See Nigeria.
 
Feb 2011
761
Kitchener. Ont.
#7
China's problem now is not overpopulation, but underpopulation. They don't have enough young people (either native born or immigrants) to support the old due to their one child policy.
This was predictable, once you curtail the birth rate that generation will become too few to support the older generations, society becomes top-heavy.
This is what did happen in China.

If you 'clip' the increase of population at one end you must commit to 'clipping' the population at the other end too, to maintain equilibrium. This though is the pill that is too hard to swallow, no society will suggest euthanasia, so the end result is an imbalance.
Predictable.
 

VHS

Ad Honorem
Dec 2015
4,283
Brassicaland
#8
This was predictable, once you curtail the birth rate that generation will become too few to support the older generations, society becomes top-heavy.
This is what did happen in China.

If you 'clip' the increase of population at one end you must commit to 'clipping' the population at the other end too, to maintain equilibrium. This though is the pill that is too hard to swallow, no society will suggest euthanasia, so the end result is an imbalance.
Predictable.
Unfortunately, if you already have a large population in the first place, it will be unsustainable to have a larger younger population to support the older population. Just imagine what is happening in Nigeria.
Jeremy Rifkin's End of Work is a few decades ahead of his time (1995), still, we start witnessing that robotics are replacing some of our jobs, especially the low end ones.
Many people are mentioning the driverless cars, and robotic restaurants are operating in China; it won't be surprising to have robotic janitors, security guards, etc.
The strictly robotic robocop? Not yet I guess, because the police job is quite intricate.
 

Scaeva

Ad Honorem
Oct 2012
5,433
#9
As for Europe:
> population is aging! Birthrates are dropping!
> automation has already kicked in and in 20 years it will change the world around
> somehow the first point is then a problem and we need to keep up instead of welcoming lower levels of population
In the West and Japan birth rates are dropping in large part because housing prices and the financial costs associated with children have both risen sharply. Many couples who would have been able to afford a house and two or three children had they instead lived in the 1940s, can't today. Salaries haven't kept pace.
 

VHS

Ad Honorem
Dec 2015
4,283
Brassicaland
#10
In the West and Japan birth rates are dropping in large part because housing prices and the financial costs associated with children have both risen sharply. Many couples who would have been able to afford a house and two or three children had they instead lived in the 1940s, can't today. Salaries haven't kept pace.
The property hike happens in Canada as well!