Pagan Societies were barbaric because Christian values were not around.

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It was also a collection of earlier laws which had been in force.
The edicts I cited from Theodosius are accepted to be part of his pogrom against non christians.
Christian persecution of paganism under Theodosius I - Wikipedia

Motive? Historical truth.
Obviously not. If you re-read what i wrote, ie the last quote... '[it also attempted] to solidify Christianity as the official religion of the Empire, after it had been decriminalised under Galerius' rule and promoted under Constantine's.'

It is self-evident for anyone that can read. Psychology has stuff to say on the reading of a text. Your ideology has denied you the option open to everyone else: to accept simple, basic historical truth.
 
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'Religion plays an undeniable role in the life of society, introducing ideas of the sacred and the transcendental that spread their influence across all the customs and ceremonies of membership. But religious obedience is not a necessary part of citizenship, and in any conflict it is the duties of the citizen, and not those of the believer, that must prevail. It is one of the triumphs of Christian civilisation to have held on to the Christian vision of human destiny, while acknowledging the priority of secular Law.'

'This was not achieved without intense conflict, and a slow, steady recognition that a society could be founded on the duties of neighbourliness and yet permit distinctions of faith. The achievement of christian civilisation is to have endowed institutions with a religious authority without demanding a religious, as opposed to a secular, obedience to them.

How has this been done? Christ, called upon to explain the law, and how we must adhere to it, said: 'Love the Lord with all thy heart, and with all thy mind, and with all thy soul and with all thy strength, and love thy neighbour as thyself.' On these two commandments hang all the law...'

In secular common-sense terms: how would you like it?
Common knowledge for western culture you might think.
two wrongs don't make a right... ...
it's out there, everywhere, suffused (suffundere, to pour beneath).
 
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The Anglican Christian church has been and is very broadly a mild, charitable, generous, contemplative influence, very generally. The destruction of it would be a profound loss. The argument by Dawkins and others, that it is simply not needed, may be in error. Why? Because it is an institution of society.
 
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@Kookaburra Jack

In Australia, our would be right, if it was possible to sue you for libel;

Well, defamation actually, we don't have a separate 'libel' offence. Here, truth is not a defence..

I try not to bother with apologists. There is no common ground. I am unable to accept as true the folk history of a tribe of illiterate bronze age goat herders who lacked the wit to invent their own deity. IE ; 'Yahweh' began as 'El', a Sumerian storm god. Hs also had a wife, 'Asheroth'. She was turned into a demon when Judaism became monotheistic, some time after the almost certainly fictional Exodus



Reference: "Did God have a wife? Archaeology and Folk religion in ancient Israel" William G Dever Professor emertitus of Near Eastern Archaeology and Anthropology at the University of Arizona


Did God Have a Wife? - Wikipedia

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Referring to an earlier post about biblical inerrancy ; "Misquoting Jesus", by Bart Ehrman; Christian biblical scholar turned atheist.


Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why (published as Whose Word Is It? in United Kingdom) is a book by Bart D. Ehrman, a New Testament scholar at University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.[1] The book introduces lay readers to the field of textual criticism of the Bible. Ehrman discusses a number of textual variants that resulted from intentional or accidental manuscript changes during the scriptorium era. The book made it to The New York Times Best Seller List.[2]Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why (published as Whose Word Is It? in United Kingdom) is a book by Bart D. Ehrman, a New Testament scholar at University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.[1] The book introduces lay readers to the field of textual criticism of the Bible. Ehrman discusses a number of textual variants that resulted from intentional or accidental manuscript changes during the scriptorium era. The book made it to The New York Times Best Seller List.[2]

Misquoting Jesus - Wikipedia
 
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The Anglican Christian church has been and is very broadly a mild, charitable, generous, contemplative influence, very generally.
Three cheers for Henry VIII !!!

1534 CE: King Henry VIII ("the father of the Royal Navy") established the centralised monotheistic Church of England by giving Rome the flick, appointing himself as the Supreme Head, and commissioning an English translation: the Great Bible (1535). Later versions include Bishops Bible (1568) and the KJV (1604).

Why should the Pope hold a monopoly on the Christian church industry of the 16th century?


King Henry VIII: Henry VIII of England - Wikipedia
Great Bible: Great Bible - Wikipedia