Paul von Hindenburg dies in 1931

Futurist

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What if Paul von Hindenburg would have been in worse health and would have thus died three years earlier than he did in real life (after all, he was already 83-84 in 1931).

Who would the main challenger to Hitler in 1932 be in this scenario?

Also, would this challenger have defeated Hitler in the 1932 German presidential election?

In addition to this, would this new German President--if he would have been able to win in 1932--have appointed Hitler as German Chancellor in 1933 just like Paul von Hindenburg did in real life?

Any thoughts on this?
 

pugsville

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Hard to see who would have been run instead. Just don't know enough, but almost all the other parties (except KPD who would stick with Thalman) were looking at ways to stop Hitler, they considered extending Hindenberg's term.

Though Hitler got 36.8% pf the vote (Hindenburg 53%) which is about what the Nazis got in 1933 37.27 there best electoral performance , does this represent that limit of Hitler's electoral appeal ?

Or against a candidate with less public recognition and stature would he win just don;t know.

Hindenburg was manipulated in appointing Hitler, von Papen being the manipulator, Oskar Hindenburg the intermediary.
 

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Hard to see who would have been run instead. Just don't know enough, but almost all the other parties (except KPD who would stick with Thalman) were looking at ways to stop Hitler, they considered extending Hindenberg's term.

Though Hitler got 36.8% pf the vote (Hindenburg 53%) which is about what the Nazis got in 1933 37.27 there best electoral performance , does this represent that limit of Hitler's electoral appeal ?

Or against a candidate with less public recognition and stature would he win just don;t know.

Hindenburg was manipulated in appointing Hitler, von Papen being the manipulator, Oskar Hindenburg the intermediary.
Would Karl Jarres be a suitable consensus right-wing candidate in the 1932 (or 1931) German presidential election in this scenario? :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Jarres

Also, would Jarres be manipulated (by his advisers) into appointing Hitler like Hindenburg was?
 

pugsville

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Would Karl Jarres be a suitable consensus right-wing candidate in the 1932 (or 1931) German presidential election in this scenario? :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Jarres

Also, would Jarres be manipulated (by his advisers) into appointing Hitler like Hindenburg was?
Maybe I just don't know enough to have a worthwhile opinion.

The Question is was voting along party lines? Did Hitler just pick up the same votes he picked in later general election and that was his 'ceiling' in votes?
Maybe?

Hindenburg was just increasingly senile, he was extremely manipulable. It hard to see anyone else being as manipulatible.

However there would still be the same cabal (less Oskar Hindenburg) working around power. The thing is that parliament had almost ceased to function, governments were just ruling by decree with almost no reference to parliament. The view on the right was they needed to some popular support, to work towards some authoritarian regime, some there was temptation to try to use Hitler. Scheichler and von Papen in there desire to wreck each other were more willing to Hitler installed than the other guy,
 
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Futurist

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What about if Hindenburg died (or was assassinated) in 1928 or 1929 rather than in 1931?