Paul von Hindenburg lives until 1950

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What if Alien Space Bats would have allowed Paul von Hindenburg to live until 1950--when he would have been either 103 or 104 years old?

How would this have affected Germany in the years and decades after 1934?

Any thoughts on this?
 
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What if Alien Space Bats would have allowed Paul von Hindenburg to live until 1950--when he would have been either 103 or 104 years old?

How would this have affected Germany in the years and decades after 1934?

Any thoughts on this?
Do the alien space bats protect him from coups and murder or just natural causes?
 

stevev

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Hitler would have forced him to retire; certainly by 1937 when he would have been 90. Anyway, he was already a figurehead president after March, 1933.
 
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Just from natural causes.
Given the actions Hitler took prior to Hindenburg's death to consolidate power, I have no doubt he'd have either killed or removed him if he'd been an obstacle, however was he really one. That being said while Hindeburg's death allowed him to become the "Fuhrer" by merging the Presidency and Chancellory, most of Hitler's substantive power was already in place by 1934 after the Enabling Act and Hindenburg had allowed this to happen. The Night of Long Knives, designed to appease the army(whose main concern was being replaced by the SA) also appeased Hindenburg as well.

In 1934, Hindenburg was largely the non monarch equivalent of a constitutional monarch at this point and his main power was to remove Hitler and this power was limited by his ability to successfully carry that out, he would like the Italian King be heavily reliant on the right timing and at his age, how much power even symbolically would he still have? Wouldn't the early successes of WWII make the public forget about the WWI hero? He was also was not a King so there wasn't the whole "sovereign aspect."
 
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What if Alien Space Bats would have allowed Paul von Hindenburg to live until 1950--when he would have been either 103 or 104 years old?

How would this have affected Germany in the years and decades after 1934?

Any thoughts on this?
Do the ASB guys protect him from Hitler.
 

Futurist

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Do the ASB guys protect him from Hitler.
No, they don't.

Hitler would have forced him to retire; certainly by 1937 when he would have been 90. Anyway, he was already a figurehead president after March, 1933.
Hindenburg's term didn't end until 1939, though. Would the German military have actually allowed the Nazis to impose a retirement age (something like no new term for German Presidents who are 90+ years old) for the German Presidency?

Given the actions Hitler took prior to Hindenburg's death to consolidate power, I have no doubt he'd have either killed or removed him if he'd been an obstacle, however was he really one. That being said while Hindeburg's death allowed him to become the "Fuhrer" by merging the Presidency and Chancellory, most of Hitler's substantive power was already in place by 1934 after the Enabling Act and Hindenburg had allowed this to happen. The Night of Long Knives, designed to appease the army(whose main concern was being replaced by the SA) also appeased Hindenburg as well.

In 1934, Hindenburg was largely the non monarch equivalent of a constitutional monarch at this point and his main power was to remove Hitler and this power was limited by his ability to successfully carry that out, he would like the Italian King be heavily reliant on the right timing and at his age, how much power even symbolically would he still have? Wouldn't the early successes of WWII make the public forget about the WWI hero? He was also was not a King so there wasn't the whole "sovereign aspect."
Would Hitler have actually dared start WWII while Hindenburg was still alive and in power, though?
 

stevev

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No, they don't.


Hindenburg's term didn't end until 1939, though. Would the German military have actually allowed the Nazis to impose a retirement age (something like no new term for German Presidents who are 90+ years old) for the German Presidency?
Hitler had nothing to gain but a title by killing Hindenburg. The army might not take kindly to such treatment of an old man who was still a respected elder statesman. The older he got, the more harmless he was. Even the monumental ego of Mussolini tolerated having a powerless king.

Would Hitler have actually dared start WWII while Hindenburg was still alive and in power, though?
Both the Italian king and German president could give the regimes of the two dictators a sense of legitimacy internationally.

Hitler had all the real power. When Hitler asked for a declaration of war, how many no votes were there in Reichstag? Do you think a 92 year old President was going to interfere? Hitler controlled the Party and Government and therefore all the levers of power.
 
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Hitler had nothing to gain but a title by killing Hindenburg. The army might not take kindly to such treatment of an old man who was still a respected elder statesman. The older he got, the more harmless he was. Even the monumental ego of Mussolini tolerated having a powerless king.
Fair enough.

Both the Italian king and German president could give the regimes of the two dictators a sense of legitimacy internationally.

Hitler had all the real power. When Hitler asked for a declaration of war, how many no votes were there in Reichstag? Do you think a 92 year old President was going to interfere? Hitler controlled the Party and Government and therefore all the levers of power.
I do think that it's possible that Hindenburg would have intervened in such a scenario just like the Italian King and Mussolini's minions on the Fascist Grand Council could have removed him from power had he declared war on Britain and France in September 1939.