Peace terms in a scenario where the Union quickly wins the American Civil War

Futurist

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What do you think that peace terms would have looked like in a scenario where the Union would have quickly won the American Civil War?

For instance, do we still see the same 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution being passed and ratified in this scenario?
 

betgo

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Probably not. Lincoln was initially saying the war was not about slavery. It would also have been difficult to get the south to agree to emancipation. Lincoln was even suggesting that there could be compromises over slavery in the January 1865 peace talks.

The 14th and 15th Amendments were adopted in 1868 and 1870. They were passed by a Radical Republican controlled Congress in response to southern resistance to black rights.
 
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Futurist

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Probably not. Lincoln was initially saying the war was not about slavery. It would also have been difficult to get the south to agree to emancipation. Lincoln was even suggesting that there could be compromises over slavery in the January 1865 peace talks.
Source for the last part, please?

Also, I was thinking of getting the South to agree to emancipation at the point of a gun.

The 14th and 15th Amendments were adopted in 1868 and 1870. They were passed by a Radical Republican controlled Congress in response to southern resistance to black rights.
Would the Radical Republicans have still acquired control of Congress in this scenario?
 

betgo

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Source for the last part, please?

Also, I was thinking of getting the South to agree to emancipation at the point of a gun.



Would the Radical Republicans have still acquired control of Congress in this scenario?

At the January 1865 conference, Lincoln suggested that if the Confederate states rejoined the Union quickly they could block the 13th Amendment. He also suggested delaying abolition for 5 years. These were his initial suggestions, so it is likely he was willing to concede more. This is discussed in Wikipedia and elsewhere.

I am not sure that Congress would support emancipation in 1861-1862. It is likely that the threat of emancipation might be used to get the Confederacy to agree to reunion.
 
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Futurist

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At the January 1865 conference, Lincoln suggested that if the Confederate states rejoined the Union quickly they could block the 13th Amendment. He also suggested delaying abolition for 5 years. These were his initial suggestions, so it is likely he was willing to concede more. This is discussed in Wikipedia and elsewhere.
Very interesting. I'll see if I can find more about this on Wikipedia and elsewhere.

BTW, if the South is able to block emancipation in 1865 by rejoining the Union early enough, it could also block emancipation five years later. Given the extreme difficulty of amending the U.S. Constitution, the South will have to be coerced to end slavery.

I am not sure that Congress would support emancipation in 1861-1862. It is likely that the threat of emancipation might be used to get the Confederacy to agree to reunion.
What was Congress's reaction to Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation?

Also, what would the end game of this be? I mean, if slavery isn't going to be abolished in 1861-1862, when will it be abolished?
 

stevev

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"At the January 1865 conference, Lincoln suggested that if the Confederate states rejoined the Union quickly they could block the 13th Amendment. He also suggested delaying abolition for 5 years. These were his initial suggestions, so it is likely he was willing to concede more. This is discussed in Wikipedia and elsewhere".

see: Lincoln's Peace Terms at January 1865 Conference
 
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