Pelasgians, the first homo-sapiens in Europe?

Oct 2016
The Eteocretans were also a Greek tribe. What Greek historians actually say is that they spoke Greek but not the Hellenic dialect of Greek. Homer lists them with the other Greek tribes.

Homer, The Odyssey
"There is a fair and fruitful island in mid-ocean called Crete; it is thickly peopled and there are nine cities in it: the people speak many different languages which overlap one another, for there are Acheans, brave Eteocretans, Dorians of three-fold race, and noble Pelasgi."
All are listed together as Greek tribes with overlapping dialects therefore all spoke Greek using the standard definition of Greek which includes Pelasgians.

The Romans called all the Greek speaking inhabitants of Greece, Greeks and the Greeks were a subset of the Pelasgians. The Hellenes were regarded as a subset of the Greeks which became greater in numbers than any other Greeks and therefore became dominant.
Oct 2016
Says Herodotus:
"...the Athenians, who were certainly Pelasgi, must have changed their language at the same time that they passed into the Hellenic body; "
The Athenians were Pelasgians who changed their language, whereas the Dorian's did not.

"...the entire Pelasgic race spoke the same tongue"
ONE race, ONE language. Those who differed like the Athenians stopped being called Pelasgians.

The Dorian-Pelasgi came to Greece in 2200 BC and later in 1900 BC the Ionians came along and put a wedge between those in the north and those in the Peloponnese. The Dorian-Pelasgi in North-Western Greece became Dorians. Those in the Peloponnese and Thessaly became Pelasgi. The Dorian's were nomadic whereas the Pelasgi were City Dwellers hence their name Polis-gi.

Herodotus says that both the Dorians and Ionians were originally Pelasgians. Herodotus and other Greek writers such as Stabo only concentred on the similarity between various Greek dialects that derived from Hellenic. Modern linguists that adhere to the Risch-Chadwick theory ignore these similarities and instead concentrate on the differences so that they go further back to the time when Greek split into two groups, North-western and Eastern Greek.
Oct 2016
Herodotus says that all the Pelasgi he know spoke the same dialect
 irrespectively of where they lived. Hellenic was a specific set of Greek dialects and Pelasgic was another set of Greek dialects. All the Hellenic dialects, Doric, Aeolic, Achaean and Attic-Ionic were descended from Pelasgian.

Modern archaeology has confirmed what Herodotus said. The Lemnos inscription is written in Pelasgian Greek and is not Ionic or anything like it. It is written in Pelasgian Greek before a commonly accepted spelling convention was adopted. It was dictated orally to a hired scribe who was probably Phoenician.

Herodotus introduces the passage by saying that the Athenians were NOT originally of Hellenic but Pelasgian and then became Hellenes. (After they were joined by the Ionians).

The Ionians tribe that joined them came from Phthiotis and was named after Ion the son of Xuthus. There were no people in Greece called Ionians before Ion who dates to 1300 BC. According to Pausanius the old name for the land where Ion came from was called Hellas. The old name for Ionia itself was Aigialea and dated back to 1660 BC.

Aeolic is the language of Hesiod, i.e. Boeotian-Thessalian Greek, and akin to Doric and Achaean and the least related dialect to Ionic according to Strabo.

The Pelasgains form Lemnos knew where they came from as did Herodotus as did the earlier historians he quotes. All Greek and Roman Historiens said the Pelasgians from Lemnos came form Athens and before that fled form Thebes and before that came from Thessaly. Thucydides makes it clear that the Pelasgains from Lemnos also colonised Thyrrenia in Italy and named their city Athens.

There is NO historical
record of Etruscans on Lemnos. The people that some people have falseLy identified as
 in Lemnos as Etruscans are Pelasgians. Even when the longest inscription in the script is found in Egypt a place where the Etruscans never set foot but were there were colonies of Pelasgians.

Herodotus makes it perfectly clear that the people who lived in Tyrhennia were Lydian's who migrated there in 1600 BC and Pelasgians who migrated there 500 years later. Both peoples were easily differentiated even in Herodotus time 600 years later still. If the inscriptions found in Etruria are in the same script as from Lemnos then they are not Etruscan but Pelasgian Greek.

Also there were no such thing as Etruscans. Livy makes it perfecetly clear that the people who colonised Etruria
 were from various colonies of Lydians, Pelasgains, Trojans and Cochians. The existence of Colchian colonies has been proven by the presence of the G DNA linage which exists nowhere else except in Caucasian populations. There were also
 native Italian tribes in Etruria like the Tuscans, but no Etruscans. Those who say Etruscans were a single people, should prove
 that these tribes were united under one language and one rule. I want primary sources and complete quotes, not the options of some 19th
century bigot who made them up. Several dozen unrelated tribes lived in Etruria and their was NO political union between any of them.

The Tyrrhenians (Lydians) already spoke an indo-European language when the sent colonists to Italy in 1600 BC, after the Thera erruption caused a 18 year famine. The Pelasgians from Lemnos colonised Thyrennia and founded Thrrhenian Athens.
Oct 2016
The name Greeks was coined by the Romans from Graecus the son the Thessalus king of Thessaly the son of Haemon the son of Pelasgus king of Arcadia since the Pelasgians were the first people from Greece that the Romans encounterd since the Pelasgians colonised Italy in Mycenean times (1500-1200 BC). The language of Graecus was the same language as Pelasgus and was Arcado-Cypriot otherwise known as Mycenaean Greek. Palesgians also colonized Palestine and Philistine (Pelast ie. Pelasgians) inscriptions from Palestine also show they used Greek names.

When the Romans later encountered the Hellenes who were the descendants of Hellene king of Hellas the son of Deucalion king of Pthiotis when they colonised Italy from about the time of the first Olympiad (776 BC) and the foundation of Rome by Romulus i(753 BC) they were also called Greeks since they spoke the same language as the Pelasgian tribes that still lived in Italy at the time some of whom who came with Evander in 1250 BC had become Roman citizens.
Oct 2016
I see confusion about the tribal names of Greeks and the Mycenaean's and Minoans. Both the names Myceanean and Minoan are misnormers because they describe the same people. There were no people that ever called themselves Myceaneans or Minoans.

The Myceaneans and Minoans were as Greek as Socrates and Plato. The entire Greek religion is founded on the deification of Cretan kings. The height of power of the gods was during the Hyksos period before the 
Thera Eruption between 1700 and 1628 BC. We have the names of gods including 
Saturn, Zeus, Sarapis extant in 
Egyptian and Linear A inscriptions as kings from that period, Satur, Sheshi as well as the names of other Greek kings who ruled over Egypt 
including Epaphus and Agenor.

The Hyksos were the Sea peoples, and the sea peoples were Greeks. They are mentioned in Egyptian and Hittite texts dating as far back as 1500 BC. The the word "Mycenaeans" is a MODERN word to designate the people who called themselves the ACHAEANS.

The Hyksos were Achaeans.

Hyksos [Egyptian] = Ekwesh [Egyptian] = (Eyakiwash) = (Ayahiwash) = Ayahaewah [Hebrew] = Akhaiwoi [Homeric] = Ahhiyawa [Hittite] = Aegialea [Herodotus] = Achaean-ous [Greek] = Ochean-ous = Sea Peoples.

The Sea people were composed of mostly Greek tribes, including the Pelest, the Danaans, the Ahhiyawa (Acheans) as well as the Serdans who were a Greek colony at the time. The Egyptians knew them by their tribal names.

The Mycenaean's were the same people as the Minoans. The Minoans were proto-Aeolic-Ionic Greeks. The Mycenaean's were Achaean Greeks.

The Pelasgians did not exist before 1600 BC at the earliest so anything 
before that time cannot possible in any way be called Pelasgian. Nor can it 
be called pre-Greek since the Greeks were already in the Greek peninsular by 
2200 BC and had reached Mycenae by 1600 BC and that is exactly when the 
Pelasgians first appear in the historical record being Argive Greeks who 
migrated to Arcadia and then moved to Thessaly in 1450 BC as well as 
founding colonies in Italy at the same time.

The genealogy and pattern of migration is well known to all historians.

1606 Pelasgus (son of Niobe daughter of Phoroneus the founder of Argos)

1685 Aezeius

1560 Lycaon

1507 Pelasgus + Deianira (daughter of Lycaon)

1488 Lycaon II

1455 Calisto

1420 Arcas (founder of Arcadia)
1507 Pelasgus

1472 Haemon (king of Thessaly)

1430 Thessalus

1405 Graecus (after whom the Greeks were so called)

Dionysus of Halicarnassus clearly states that the 
Aboriginals "from whom the Romans are originally descended" were Arcadian 

"the Aborigines can be a colony of no other people but of those who are now 
called Arcadians; 2 for these were the first of all the Greeks to cross the 
Ionian Gulf, under the leadership of Oenotrus, the son of Lycaon, and to 
settle in Italy. This Oenotrus was the fifth from Aezeius and Phoroneus, who 
were the first kings in the Peloponnesus. For Niobe was the daughter of 
Phoroneus, and Pelasgus was the son of Niobe and Zeus"

The Greeks WERE the so-called Minoans (who aren't 
even named correctly since Minos I did not reign until 1406 BC which is 
during the Mycenaean period). They easily conquered the existing population 
of solitary farmers and small villages and were the most likely cause of the 
First Intermediate Period in Egyptian history which 2181-2055 BC. Later in 1900 BC a second 
wave arrived in northern Greece pushing the first wave further south and 
east and the stone palaces at Troy and in Crete start to appear and Linear A 
is developed.

This coincided with the time that the kings who would later 
become the Orphic gods, so named after Orpheus (1260 BC) who was the first 
to worship them, Hydros, Khronos, Aither, Phanes, Nyx and her son 

It was Minos who built the Sea Empire of Crete and he was descended from Agenor who was descended from Inachus who was the grandfather of Pelasgus which suggests the Pelasgians came to Crete in 1420 BC.

The Minoan civilisation only picks up and writing 
is invented when the Greeks arrive in the north. The majority of the body of Linear A was decoded using computer 
statistical analysis as being a dialect of Aeolic Greek and another sample 
was decoded as being proto-Ionic Greek.


Tsikritsis has published his work and no one has been able to refute it. It is the most extensive and scientifically based study ever carried out on Linear A and its shows it to be a dialect of Aeolic Greek.

The point is that before the Greeks arrived there was no writing and 
when they did there was. That means that Linear A was invented as a 
consequence of the Greeks arriving and therefore it was most likely invented 
to record Greek. This is also supported by the used of Cypriot Linear Script 
in Cyprus to write Greek which was still extant until 400 BC.

So the term Minoans is a misnomer and an invention of fiction. The people who built the stone palaces in Crete and Troy were the people whowere newly arrived in Greece at the time these palaces first appear and these are the Greeks.

The Eteocretans were only regarded as not being Hellenes. That 
does not mean that they were not regarded as Greeks. The word Hellenes was not 
coined as a collective term until the first Olympiad in 776 BC. No Ancient writer ever said the Eteocretans were not Greek. In fact according to Homer their language overlapped with 
the languages of the Achaeans, Dorians and Pelasgains. The only way this 
could be possible is if the Eteocretans were indo-Europeans and their 
language was descended from proto-Greek and most likely to be have been a 
dialect of proto-Aeolic or proto-Mycenaean.

"There is a fair and fruitful island in mid-ocean called Crete; it is 
thickly peopled and there are nine cities in it: the people speak many 
different languages which overlap one another, for there are Achaeans, brave 
Eteocretans, Dorians of three-fold race, and noble Pelasgi."

Homer's Odyssey states in perfectly clear 
language that the Eteocretans the Pelasgians the Dorians and the Achaeans 
all spoke related Greek dialects.