- May 2014
Oh, certainly, there are some Jews who have no problem endorsing multiculturalism for their home countries but not for Israel--something that could trigger anti-Semitism since it opens these Jews up to accusations of hypocrisy and double-standards.But in modern 21st century Germany, the Jews generally integrate only into this part of the population, which opposes German nationalists and supporters of ethnically German state. For example there is this Jewish German politician Gregor Gysi, who claims it is good for Germany that ethnic Germans are having low birthrates because it will make Germany less Nazi and more multicultural.
Perhaps the Jews always support the "mainstream", those currently in power, and thus if those in power change, Jewish loyalties also change. I don't really blame them because when you are a Diaspora minority that's a good strategy to survive turmoils. But it just shows that Jews generally do not associate themselves with aspirations of their "host nations" (especially with their nationalists).
FTR, I wasn't talking about having Germany actually annex Eastern Europe. Just transform it into German puppet states.What makes you think that Jews would suddenly become ardent ethnic German patriots/nationalists and supporters of an ethnically German Greater Germany?
As for your question here, it would be for the same reason that Algerian Jews became Gallicized; specifically, the French made them privileged along with the pieds-noirs--which in turn created a feeling of loyalty to France and possibly a feeling of superiority over Muslims. I don't know to what extent Algerian Jews are pushing for multiculturalism in France right now, though; after all, France is full of anti-Semitism these days--probably in large part due to the large number of Muslims that it imported over the last several decades.
It would probably depend on the specific Jews involved.I think even very Germanized Jews would indeed be integrated, but not really assimilated. They would still consider themselves Jews rather than Germanic ethnic Germans.
Again, it depends on which American Jews we're talking about here. A large number could possibly have dual loyalties--though there are undoubtedly some (including myself) who would certainly put the US first every time. While most US Jews are liberal, there are some conservatives among them--including several Jews who write for the white nationalist website VDare. Indeed, some US Jews want the US to emulate Israel by closing its doors and preserving its White majority--though they're obvious in the minority.Just like Americanized Jews today are still aware of their Jewishness and generally represent Jewish-American (and Israeli) interests 1st, Gentile-American interests only 2nd.
That's a good point. That said, though, do we know how French Jews and British Jews vote nowadays?Do you know for example that in 2016 presidential election Jewish-Americans were the most pro-Clinton group, and German-Americans were the most pro-Trump group? This shows that Jewish-Americans and German-Americans are polar opposites on the political spectrum. What makes you think that in Greater Germany Jews would agree on politics with ethnic German majority, instead?
That's not right. Even if the US will significantly decline, I'll still believe in the principles that it stood for and would hope to eventually reinvigorate it. I certainly admire other large, powerful, and prosperous countries, but the US is my home and I will certainly connect more with the US, its history, and its culture than I will with other countries.I think even your own posts in this thread show, that you only want to be Americanized because the U.S. is a great country, and for the same reason you would like to be Germanized in your own alternative history scenario. But what if the USA declines and Canada or Mexico (or China, or Russia - you name it) conquer it and become great countries? In such case, your national and ethnic loyalty would immediately change to Canadian/Mexican, you would claim that you want to be Canadianized, and you would start looking down at Gentile White Americans, descendants by blood of first Jamestown settlers.
Honestly, if I was only looking out for myself, I might have wanted to move to, say, Canada. After all, their social safety net is much more generous than the US one based on what I've heard and read. In spite of the US's flaw in regards to this and various other things, I still believe in the idea of the US.
Germans did rebel in 1918, though.I think it shows that Jews would never actually become ethnic Germans - they would only support Germany as long as Germany was successful. It is opportunism, not true assimilation.
A true love (patriotism = love of homeland) is when you love someone or something in both fortune AND in misfortune. You can call them stupid, but Germans did defend Hitler until the last drop of blood. That is real patriotism. Let's assume your Germanized Jews are confronted with a war - and things don't go well for Germany - would they fight to the end like ethnic Germans did in 1945?
That would depend on the specific American Jews and also on what exactly would be the cause of this war. That said, though, I certainly wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of US Jews would have experienced conflicted loyalties in regards to this and either tried to avoid fighting at all or would fight on the US side only reluctantly. I do think that few American Jews would actually fight for Israel in such a scenario, though.If there was a war between Israel and the USA, which side would American Jews support?