Plausible alternative locations for a Jewish state

Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
14,231
SoCal
#12
In the 20th century probably Antarctica would be a good place.

An huge continent without any population. So it wouldn’t be necessary to expel anyone… well maybe the penguins…

All other places in the world already had population. So… inviting a bunch of people from other places in the world to migrate, with a sole religion, to create a religious state… would be like an invasion at the eyes of the former inhabitants. Currently a similar kind of migration is causing some controversy both in Europe an in the USA.
Please keep in mind, though, that the population in some areas was so low that the natives there could have been demographically overwhelmed--at least for a time. For instance, Kazakhstan was Slavic-majority in 1959--though the Slavs' position there weakened over time presumably as a result of the higher Kazakh birthrates.
 

Tulius

Ad Honorem
May 2016
4,720
Portugal
#13
Yes, they could be penguin farmers.
Please keep in mind, though, that the population in some areas was so low that the natives there could have been demographically overwhelmed--at least for a time. For instance, Kazakhstan was Slavic-majority in 1959--though the Slavs' position there weakened over time presumably as a result of the higher Kazakh birthrates.
The natives were demographically overwhelmed in Palestine as were in many places in America and Australia. My hidden question with my proposal was: why should we search for a Plausible alternative locations for a Jewish state?

The current one created huge problems and was only possible in the sequence of the holocaust and the credit that the Jews gained in the politics and popular opinion. Because either today or by the end of the WWII creating, fabricating, a completely new state, based on religious principles, artificial, was and is against the international dominant paradigm.
 

pugsville

Ad Honorem
Oct 2010
8,318
#14
There was no way to create a Jewish state witout breaking eggs. No population is going to willingly accpet the arrival of another population to rule over them, bacuse thats what a Jewish state means, that Jews decide the importnat matters, and really once takes control of whatever they deem importnat what is the rest of it worth? This is teh basic moral contradiction at the core of Zionsim in order to reach their goal A jewish state, some body else must accpet the very thing the Zionsism refuse to accpet, rule by anotehr ethnic group. Zionism rejects co-exisistance, you can;lt just be a German or a Briton who just happens to be Jewish, Zionsit rejects as a shadow existsnce, that minorityies will be oppressed, the majority cannot be trusted, and they have ample history to justifiy this view. A German Jewish dairist who bareley survived the Nazi regime, said the Zionist were as bad as the Nazis, as both denied he was German, he stayed in Germnay after the war. To create a Jewish state in the absecne of a Mars colony, requires breaking of the golden rule treat others as you yourself wish to be treated. (of course all colonialism has the problem, and many states have simialr legacies)
 
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Apr 2017
761
U.S.A.
#15
The Jews scattered across the world needed a single unifying concept to bring them together. This is why Israel/Palestine was chosen, it was their original homeland. Any other location could be argued about for whatever reasons; Alaska's too cold, Australia's too hot, Antarctica is a frozen wasteland that can't support large human populations and north Africa has no special traits to attract people. Israel/Palestine however, had the history and religious significance of being the Jewish homeland. This was something Jews from across the world could all agree upon. This is what drove the Zionist movement, which was already in motion by the late 1800's. If you want to propose an alternate location for a Jewish state, you would have to do it before the 20the century (which coincides with the rise of nationalism) and have a good unifying concept for it.
 
Likes: Futurist
Feb 2012
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Portugal
#19
It seems they considered Uganda and Patagonia. Nevertheless a non Jew minority would always be a problem in a religious state that has difficulty accepting other confessions.

An interesting aspect is that it seems Jews were prohibited by Judaism to reclaim the biblical lands, some are still opposed others have been noticed to have difficulty accepting the necessary policies like the military service.
 
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AlpinLuke

Ad Honoris
Oct 2011
24,953
Lago Maggiore, Italy
#20
I agree with the ones who are underlining that it was impossible to create a new state [any new state] endorsing the migration of a large part of the population of the new state to a land where an other population already lived ... without generating not a few problems.

We should keep in mind that Kurds find it extremely difficult to see the land where they live becoming a new independent state. They shouldn't migrate to occupy the land where an other people lives, but local powers [overall Turkey and Syria] don't want to see an independent Kurdistan. So, if it's difficult to create a new state without mass migrations, imagine with mass migrations!

No, there were no plausible alternatives, actually. We should enter in the field of speculative history and we should use a lot of fantasy to imagine something "plausible".
 

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