Please give me your opinion on the war between the US and Vietnam

sparky

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While the Vietnam war was a miserable display of US generalship , bordering on and sometimes exceeding the insane

It actually was a geo-strategic success ,
by the end , the Nixon administration could break the Soviet China coalition ,
and the expansion of communism in South East Asia was stalled
Vietnam got into trouble having chosen the Soviets rather than Mao China
sometimes wasting time is an efficacious tactic
 
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" The AK47 is a great rifle for poorly trained soldiers, but it's far outclassed & outranged by the American M16 in the hands of a professional rifleman "

no ,.... the GI despised the "barbie gun " for good reasons , it was unreliable and lacked stopping power
those defects were sorted out afterward
but during the Vietnam war only a fool would prefer an M-16 to an AK or the excellent M-14

U.S. Commandos Had a Love Affair With Captured AK-47s

a few pictures
RPD Commando Vietnam | Loadouts | Vietnam, Vietnam war photos, Vietnam veterans

When the paratroopers of the Foreign legion 2nd Regiment jumped into combat over Kolwezi , they swapped their MAS 49/56 for AK as soon as they could

swapping weapons is an old tradition
here is a picture of a lieutenant of the Totempkopf waffen SS leading his men holding a PPsh 41 , It even had a commissary nomenclature and German manufactured spares
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/l10AAOSwS-FdRa2m/s-l500.jpg

Soviet long distance scouts used the PM38 probably for its less intrusive sound and the easier sourcing of ammo
Yes, There is a difference between the preferences at the range and in the field, no matter how professional you are.
 

Aupmanyav

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Jun 2014
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By the end, the Nixon administration could break the Soviet China coalition, and the expansion of communism in South East Asia was stalled.
Russia China are still together - when it suits them. Communism is inherently doomed. US need not have taken the trouble. And if Communism succeeds in one or two countries, how does it affect US? It was just the urge to dominate everything they saw. Good that some in US realize that this is not possible.
 
Dec 2015
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NYC
IMO, a total waste. Ultimately, the Vietnamese people just saw Americans as imperialists and all they ever wanted was for westerners to leave their country and let themselves decide the fate of their country. The war kept on going as the north was determined to oust the Americans out of Vietnam, and most Vietnamese began sided with the North as the war progressed.
 
Aug 2018
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Southern Indiana
I worked in a refugee camp in 92-93' with Vietnamese. After the war ended anyone who managed to get out of Vietnam was automatically resettled in the West, instead of the number of refugees dropping off after a year or two it steadily increased as word got out that all you had to do was get out of the country and you would be resettled. Countries of first asylum started getting over run with more and more Vietnamese fleeing their country, this was especially problematic for small countries like Macau and Hong Kong. Another issue was the increase in pirates attacking the boat people, sometimes robbing, sometimes raping, sometimes killing everyone on board. In 1989, the UN stepped in and stated that anyone after the cut off date of March 14th 1989 would not automatically be considered a refugee and had to prove their case before a UN lawyer. Many people spent years in the camps trying to be resettled. It wasn't a perfect system, but it stopped the exodus from Vietnam.
 
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Menshevik

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Although I am not a fan of communism, but the outside powers have no right to divide Vietnam or even Korea artificially against the consent of the people.
"Consent of the people?"

Was North Vietnam a democracy?

Speaking of "outside powers," it was the North who was meddling in the affairs of the South, they were the invaders: "After the failure to reunify Vietnam by elections, North Vietnam attempted to unify the country by force......"

"By force," implies that consent wasn't given.

North Vietnam - Wikipedia
 
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Menshevik

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IMO, a total waste. Ultimately, the Vietnamese people just saw Americans as imperialists and all they ever wanted was for westerners to leave their country and let themselves decide the fate of their country. The war kept on going as the north was determined to oust the Americans out of Vietnam, and most Vietnamese began sided with the North as the war progressed.
Really?

You must not be taking into consideration the plight of the Vietnamese people that the Northern Govt labelled as enemies...

"Following the end of the war, according to official and non-official estimates, between 200,000 and 300,000 South Vietnamese were sent to re-education camps, where many endured torture, starvation, and disease while being forced to perform hard labor..."

Fall of Saigon - Wikipedia
 
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Tercios Espanoles

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Mar 2014
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Beneath a cold sun, a grey sun, a Heretic sun...
"Consent of the people?"

Was North Vietnam a democracy?

Speaking of "outside powers," it was the North who was meddling in the affairs of the South: "After the failure to reunify Vietnam by elections, North Vietnam attempted to unify the country by force......"

"By force," implies that consent wasn't given.
You realize that the North's "failure to reunify Vietnam by elections" was entirely due to Ngo Dinh Diem setting up the Republic of South Vietnam as an independent nation, declaring himself as president, and cancelling the elections promised by the Geneva Accords in 1954, right? Because everyone acknowledges that had those elections been held as promised, Ho Chi Minh would have won by a landslide.
 

Menshevik

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You realize that the North's "failure to reunify Vietnam by elections" was entirely due to Ngo Dinh Diem setting up the Republic of South Vietnam as an independent nation, declaring himself as president, and cancelling the elections promised by the Geneva Accords in 1954, right? Because everyone acknowledges that had those elections been held as promised, Ho Chi Minh would have won by a landslide.
Did I say otherwise?
 

Devdas

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Apr 2015
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"Consent of the people?"

Was North Vietnam a democracy?

Speaking of "outside powers," it was the North who was meddling in the affairs of the South, they were the invaders: "After the failure to reunify Vietnam by elections, North Vietnam attempted to unify the country by force......"

"By force," implies that consent wasn't given.

North Vietnam - Wikipedia
Even South Vietnam wasn't a true democracy, it just had a West supported government. As I mentioned, I am not a fan of communism. Beside, there was no need of dividing Vietnam to begin with.