Police Duty to Rescue

Menshevik

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How about here?

Cops in Parkland shooting under investigation for crimes


"Florida’s top law enforcement agency says it is investigating whether police committed crimes while responding to February’s mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School."

"Now, the FDLE tells the South Florida Sun Sentinel that its investigation is criminal in nature."
That should be interesting. But at this point its just politicians, which is what an AG is, grandstanding, likely trying to score votes for next election by tackling something people are passionate about.

They'd have little luck in court trying to prove said criminal charges, not after Warren v DC, but they can try. The old adage is a DA could managed to get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich if they are skilled enough and the jury stupid enough (which most are, as smart people generally find ways of avoiding tedious jury duty).

What they can almost certainly nail the officer for is falsifying official statements. Cops do this constantly, they write their version of the event and later new evidence emerges that completely contradicts the original statement. Normally, nothing happens, but its very easy to go after individuals who regularly do it because they are essentially providing the evidence against themselves. That could lead to something maybe, but I doubt this will play out fully.

Who knows. Look at the idiot in Baltimore did with the Freddie Gray brutality cases against the five cops (I think, off the top of my head, it was five), with each indictment only slightly more pathetic than the previous one, it was obvious from the get go that the prosecutors had absolutely no case but they did it just to win future votes by appearing to be tough on police corruption.
 
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"In the (European) countries I lived, police have as mission preventing and fighting crime too, not just investigating, apprehending criminals."

If you can't prove it, it means you made it up.

1. Switzerland:

"LOI sur l'organisation policière vaudoise (LOPV) du 13 septembre 2011"

Art. 7 Missions générales de police
....
prévenir et réprimer les atteintes à la sécurité et à l'ordre publics, ainsi qu’à
l’environnement ;
....
mener des actions de prévention afin d’empêcher, dans la mesure du possible, la commission de tout acte punissable.

Art. 7 General Police Missions
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to prevent and punish attacks on public security and public order, as well as the environment
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carry out preventive actions to prevent, as far as possible, the commission of any punishable act.
 
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"In the (European) countries I lived, police have as mission preventing and fighting crime too, not just investigating, apprehending criminals."

If you can't prove it, it means you made it up.
2. Spain:

Ley Institucional de la Policía Nacional, No. 96-04

Art. 2.- Objeto
.....evenir el delito, preservar el orden público y social y el medio ambiente, ...

(Art. 2.- Object ..... prevent crime, preserve public and social order and the environment, ...)
 
Oct 2013
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"In the (European) countries I lived, police have as mission preventing and fighting crime too, not just investigating, apprehending criminals."

If you can't prove it, it means you made it up.
3. Hungary (1994. évi XXXIV. törvény
a Rendőrségről)

1. § (1) * A rendőrség feladata az Alaptörvényben meghatározott feladatok mellett a határforgalom ellenőrzése, a terrorizmus elleni küzdelem és az e törvényben meghatározott bűnmegelőzési, bűnfelderítési célú ellenőrzés, valamint a bűncselekményből származó vagyon visszaszerzése

(§ 1. (1) * In addition to the tasks specified in the Fundamental Law, the task of the police is to control border traffic, fight against terrorism and to prevent, detect and prosecute crime as defined in this Act.)
 
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Not a single thing you posted has anything at all to do with Duty to Rescue. After all these pages, its perfectly clear you don't even understand at all what this conversation is even about. Discussion with you is like pushing a boulder up a mountain. I'm done, back on ignore you go.
 

VHS

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Its more than liberty of the individual employed as a LEO. Its about responsibility. Police serve the public, not the individual. If they fail to provide services to the individual they cannot be held responsible since "the fundamental principle that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen" and "The duty to provide public services is owed to the public at large, and, absent a special relationship between the police and an individual, no specific legal duty exists."

Remember, this wasnt a law. These were court rulings that dismissed a lawsuit by individuals against police claiming they weren't rescued after someone broke in and raped them. The courts recognized that since their job isn't to protect individuals unless they have a special relationship (like victim was going to testify on behalf of witnessing a crime and the police were supposed to protect) but), then an individual cannot demand what is essentially special treatment. The courts aren't saying the police are supposed to ignore people, they're saying it's not illegal if they ignore them.

But this ruling completely alters policy and policing as a whole, as all officers are taught this and other important case law at the police academy. When you combine Warren v DC plus the very true number #1 priority of office, get home safely at night (which is universal), then its sad to say but police are in no position where they HAVE to protect anyone besides a few.

Behind all of this is the basic American liberty focused ideology that nobody should be forced to do anything they don't want to do. Nobody has the right to force others to do what they don't want.
In Canada, we call our city police "such or such community police services"; how do police services serve the public? Why is policing considered an essential service?
 

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