Poll about internet censorship

What do you think of censoring certain views online?

  • I consider myself right wing and I agree with censorship

    Votes: 1 4.0%
  • I consider myself centrist and I agree with censorship

    Votes: 2 8.0%
  • I consider myself left wing and I agree with censorship

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I consider myself politically neutral/not on the conventional spectrum and I agree with censorship

    Votes: 1 4.0%
  • I consider myself right wing and I disagree with censorship

    Votes: 10 40.0%
  • I consider myself centrist and I disagree with censorship

    Votes: 3 12.0%
  • I consider myself left wing and I disagree with censorship

    Votes: 3 12.0%
  • I consider myself politically neutral/not on the conventional spectrum and disagree with censorship

    Votes: 4 16.0%
  • I do not know about the censorship but might agree with it

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I do not know about the censorship but would disagree with it

    Votes: 1 4.0%

  • Total voters
    25
Jun 2016
85
A Shell of Steel
#1
Recently I have noticed certain youtube videos which have politically sensitive information being blocked in my country. I have also heard about various political commentators being banned from different social media platforms as well as patreon, and so on.

I am wondering if other people know about these things, if you agree with this censorship or if you disagree with it. You can comment if you would like to either explain your position or your reasoning.
 
Feb 2014
230
Miami
#2
The poll has only the illusion of choice. Politics is only a line between right and left and red and blue for those who don’t understand politics. Censorship like what we coming onto YouTube or even the autocorrect on your phone are real problems. It started with political correctness. Or the red scare before that or what have you. You cannot even make pug nazi jokes without going to jail now adays. I am also a geolibertarian which does not fall between right or left. I would be out in the field outside of the one dimensional political views
 
Jun 2016
85
A Shell of Steel
#3
The poll has only the illusion of choice. Politics is only a line between right and left and red and blue for those who don’t understand politics. Censorship like what we coming onto YouTube or even the autocorrect on your phone are real problems. It started with political correctness. Or the red scare before that or what have you. You cannot even make pug nazi jokes without going to jail now adays. I am also a geolibertarian which does not fall between right or left. I would be out in the field outside of the one dimensional political views
I did make the category "I consider myself politically neutral/not on the conventional spectrum" in an attempt to address the issue you're refering to. I suppose you feel it wasn't enough?
 
Feb 2014
230
Miami
#4
I saw this as I went back through. I guess you couldn’t do better than that as there are tens or hundreds of ideologies, but my own opinion is to cut out the ideology and allow people to express what they are. Many may regurgitate that they are within the two fields of view spoon fed to them by the media. Do you need to agree or follow my opinions, heck no. I can inject my thought, you can refute it as it is your poll and your house. You can set it up and ask this important question how you want to.

But I digress as I could go all day, I meant to edit out my criticism. But this can lead to my next point also, the fact people can use being offended as a means to censor Press or thought.

I think the pug guy was arrested and tried for thought crimes in Scotland? The details allude me, I’ll probably go look more at that case so this is more rhetorical for me to ask, if I use the phrase as intended
 
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Jun 2016
85
A Shell of Steel
#5
I saw this as I went back through. I guess you couldn’t do better than that as there are tens or hundreds of ideologies, but my own opinion is to cut out the ideology and allow people to express what they are. Many may regurgitate that they are within the two fields of view spoon fed to them by the media. Do you need to agree or follow my opinions, heck no. I can inject my thought, you can refute it as it is your poll and your house. You can set it up and ask this important question how you want to.

But I digress as I could go all day, I meant to edit out my criticism. But this can lead to my next point also, the fact people can use being offended as a means to censor Press or thought.

I think the pug guy was arrested and tried for thought crimes in Scotland? The details allude me, I’ll probably go look more at that case so this is more rhetorical for me to ask, if I use the phrase as intended
The pug guy, the youtuber Count Dankula, was fined for teaching his pug to do the nazi salute while saying something which I probably can't repeat here and filming it, putting it online. The last I heard he was not going to pay the fine and thinking they might arrest him because he didn't pay the fine. I didn't really follow the issue after that.

I have noticed videos which would be considered alt-right or far right views being removed, not just political commentators but even videos discussing philosophies out of the mainstream to the right. I am interested in learning about various ideas that are considered extreme, so I do click on these videos. Also a forum I know of had linked one but it turned up as being unavailable in my region.

Also amazon has been removing various books that it doesn't agree with. I find this disturbing for the sake of free inquiry.

I also noticed some people might have other problems with my poll. For example I know some people call it "deplatforming" and say it is different than censorship, and so might think the poll is inherently biased and not wish to participate. I have seen some people saying they don't agree with censorship, but think private companies have the right to now allow whoever they do not want on their platforms. Someone with that view might also feel that the options in the poll don't suit their position. It is difficult to frame the options in a way that will satisfy everyone without an extreme proliferation of options.
 
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Jun 2016
85
A Shell of Steel
#6
I see someone has clicked one of the "agree with censorship" options. As stated above, some might not see what I'm talking about as censorship but rather what some are calling deplatforming. I am curious about the reasons for the agreement, though I respect if any wish to remain anonymous in their views.

One more problem with this poll might be that, because this issue is generally (though from what I've heard not exclusively) affecting people who are seen or identify with the "right" on the political spectrum, it might show tend to show a greater leaning of right wing views with free speech (I'm not sure if it will). I have seen videos where the self-identifying alt-right commentator Richard Spencer has said he does not support unlimited free speech, or would not do so in the context of an ethnostate (I am not completely certain about the context he intended his views to be taken in).

A word also about why I made the poll and put it here. For one, there is the cliche that 'those who don't learn from history are destined to repeat it'. So I wanted to know if those who have a particular interest in history take a more prominent stance one way or another on this issue. There is also, of course, the fact that those who are interested in history would, it would seem to logically follow, be more inclined to search through information and viewpoints to understand history and the world. If certain ideas or even access to information is being removed from the internet or internet platforms, it might have a bearing (or not) on the views of some/most here.

For example, Alex Jones was banned from youtube. I know he is in large part not considered in any way a credible source of information, but once I watched a program of his where he spoke about MKULTRA, which it appears was a real historical event. I have not heard that spoken of on any other platform. So while it may be true that he says lots of things which are untrue, he does, it would seem, also speak about certain things which are but are very obscure/unheard of to the majority of people and not spoken about elsewhere. For that reason alone (though there are others) I don't like the thought that he is banned. I would rather have hoped that any who listened to him would be circumspect about and double check things they heard on the program, rather than have it removed.
 
Mar 2010
1,326
Ohio
#7
When I was young the so called religious right, the Jerry Falwell's and Brent Bozell's of the world, were at the forefront of dictating morality, much to the outrage of the left. Along came this space known as the internet, which initially promoted the libertarian ideas of free discourse and this invention largely rendered these pressure groups moribund by the early 00's. As the frontier of the internet became the wild west and the wild west became settled territory as traditional brick and mortars and sources of information dry up, we see but a few companies now in controlling a large bulk of the distribution of information. Amazon, Google, Facebook are all fronted by leftists big-wigs. When 2016 struck and they got caught with their pants down they were all too willing to comply and censor dissent. Starting first with radicals their efforts have started to trickle down. These are not just neo-nazis or anti-government seprestitst groups being ostracized but we are now starting to see moderate voices muted. What's more disturbing is the young leftist millennials with their mob mentality want more, they want their echo chamber cleared of anyone who might oppose their radicalism. I myself, found myself banned then forced to give my phone number into Twitter after disagreeing with some of the hateful and racist rhetoric from a certain journalist at CNN, rhetoric which would have gotten him fired if it were spoke about any other race other than the one he called terrorists. Needless to say my short Twitter experiment has ended. 2020 will be another election year, and I will predict extreme censorship in order to try to elevate the socialist party to power. The only preventing criminal prosecution, for now, is a supreme court.

In short, the mantle of censorship and morality enforcement has been inherited by leftist SJW's and big tech who conveniently comply whenever tears are shed. I see these people as no different than the Brent Bozell's or Jerry Falwell's of the 80's and 90's. Other than the one small little details. Jerry Falwell and Brent Bozell weren't the gatekeepers.
 

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Ad Honorem
Oct 2010
8,808
#8
I see someone has clicked one of the "agree with censorship" options. As stated above, some might not see what I'm talking about as censorship but rather what some are calling deplatforming. I am curious about the reasons for the agreement, though I respect if any wish to remain anonymous in their views.

One more problem with this poll might be that, because this issue is generally (though from what I've heard not exclusively) affecting people who are seen or identify with the "right" on the political spectrum, it might show tend to show a greater leaning of right wing views with free speech (I'm not sure if it will). I have seen videos where the self-identifying alt-right commentator Richard Spencer has said he does not support unlimited free speech, or would not do so in the context of an ethnostate (I am not completely certain about the context he intended his views to be taken in).

A word also about why I made the poll and put it here. For one, there is the cliche that 'those who don't learn from history are destined to repeat it'. So I wanted to know if those who have a particular interest in history take a more prominent stance one way or another on this issue. There is also, of course, the fact that those who are interested in history would, it would seem to logically follow, be more inclined to search through information and viewpoints to understand history and the world. If certain ideas or even access to information is being removed from the internet or internet platforms, it might have a bearing (or not) on the views of some/most here.

For example, Alex Jones was banned from youtube. I know he is in large part not considered in any way a credible source of information, but once I watched a program of his where he spoke about MKULTRA, which it appears was a real historical event. I have not heard that spoken of on any other platform. So while it may be true that he says lots of things which are untrue, he does, it would seem, also speak about certain things which are but are very obscure/unheard of to the majority of people and not spoken about elsewhere. For that reason alone (though there are others) I don't like the thought that he is banned. I would rather have hoped that any who listened to him would be circumspect about and double check things they heard on the program, rather than have it removed.
MKUltra is pretty common knowledge, it's a common trope in TV shows. Archer the cartoon series references it a few times.

Alex Jones is deluded and broadcasts crckpot consipracy theroires endlessly. Most of what he says are delusiobnal rantings=, just because the occasional tings turns oiut to be true does not mean he has credibility.

Richard Spence is like most Nazis (and look at his beliefs it's a apt label) censorship they would impose would be total.
 
Jun 2016
85
A Shell of Steel
#10
MKUltra is pretty common knowledge, it's a common trope in TV shows. Archer the cartoon series references it a few times.

Alex Jones is deluded and broadcasts crckpot consipracy theroires endlessly. Most of what he says are delusiobnal rantings=, just because the occasional tings turns oiut to be true does not mean he has credibility.

Richard Spence is like most Nazis (and look at his beliefs it's a apt label) censorship they would impose would be total.
I first learned about MKULTRA from Alex Jones about 8 years ago. I'm not sure how common knowledge it was then because when I spoke to people about it not only were they not aware but they disbelieved that it was true.

Despite the rest of your comment I still think my own stands. Even if Jones is a crackpot, as you say, there is no reason to censor him.
 

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