Poll : Wellington vs Montgomery , which was better ?

Which British general was better ? Wellington or Montgomery ?

  • Duke of Wellington

    Votes: 33 80.5%
  • Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery

    Votes: 8 19.5%

  • Total voters
    41

Pendennis

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Mar 2013
3,386
Kirkcaldy, Scotland
#51
Wellington never had a pipeband named after him who regularly win the world pipe band championships like Monty did.
Just a couple of weeks ago the Northern Irish Field Marshal Montgomery pipe band won the crown of world bagpipe champions in Scotland -as they have doe on many previous occasions, so eat your heart out Arthur Wellesley!.
In contrast, Welington is a perpetual figure of fun in Glasgow where his equestrian figure has his head decorrated by a traffic cone.
The Glasgow local authority abandoned removing the cone from the Iron Duke's napper several years ago because the locals kept putting it back on his head. in Glasgow's Ingram Street. and now it is a permanent fixture.
 
Jan 2015
3,363
Front Lines of the Pig War
#52
Personally I think Wellington was better than Monty... this latter only attacked when he had total superiority (4 to 1)
Martin, this is a ridiculous assertion.

2nd EL Alamein was about 170,000 Allied vs 116,000 Axis or about 3/2.
Infantry battalions 86 Allied vs 70 Axis, so more like 4/3.

Mareth Line was 90,000 Allied vs 75,000 Axis.

I cant think of ANY major battle where Monty had 4/1, can you suggest one?
 

Poly

Ad Honorem
Apr 2011
6,698
Georgia, USA
#53
...Wellington was with out a peer amongst British generals in his time, would probably be Number 1 or 2 in a list of greatest British generals ever (Marlborough might be 1). He was probably one of the best generals of his age... Napoleon and Suverov being possibly above him.

Napoleon above Wellington ?

Wellington has an unparalleled record of success. Napoleon was defeated and lacked anything like Wellington's strategic skill.
 
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Poly

Ad Honorem
Apr 2011
6,698
Georgia, USA
#54
Wellington never had a pipeband named after him who regularly win the world pipe band championships like Monty did.
Just a couple of weeks ago the Northern Irish Field Marshal Montgomery pipe band won the crown of world bagpipe champions in Scotland -as they have doe on many previous occasions, so eat your heart out Arthur Wellesley!.
In contrast, Welington is a perpetual figure of fun in Glasgow where his equestrian figure has his head decorrated by a traffic cone.
The Glasgow local authority abandoned removing the cone from the Iron Duke's napper several years ago because the locals kept putting it back on his head. in Glasgow's Ingram Street. and now it is a permanent fixture.

Montgomery never had a boot named after him.
 
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Sep 2016
1,217
Georgia
#55
Wellington has an unparalleled record of success. Napoleon was defeated and lacked anything like Wellington's strategic skill.
How his success is unparalleled ?

You think Wellington would be able to defeat coalition of Russia, Austria and Prussia ? You think Wellington would be able to crush Russia in 1812 ?

Suvorov is undefeated, by the way.
 
May 2018
815
Michigan
#56
How his success is unparalleled ?

You think Wellington would be able to defeat coalition of Russia, Austria and Prussia ? You think Wellington would be able to crush Russia in 1812 ?

Suvorov is undefeated, by the way.
I don't think Wellington would ever let himself be in a position where he might face Russia, Austria and Prussia. Looking to his record in India, where he held substantially more influence on policy due to his brother being Governor General, Wellesley was always careful to manage his Indian allies carefully, and frequently advocated against actions which might lead to a "Russia-Austria-Prussia Coalition" forming against him.

In terms of crushing Russia, Wellington had great strategic, diplomatic and political sense enough that he would have either found a diplomatic solution to the issue, or he would have taken wiser courses of action in the campaign (such as those suggested to Napoleon by Davout). Wellington knew that to suffer even one significant defeat would mean the loss of the British army as well as a loss of support for the war in Parliament. And for that matter, Napoleon didn't even crush Russia, Russia crushed him.

Napoleon, as other commenters have indicated, often did what he wanted to do instead of what he ought to do. Wellington was the exact opposite: after he burned his violin, he almost always did what he ought to do, even if he didn't want to. What makes Wellington so amazing was his self-discipline, diplomacy, good common sense and military genius. What made Napoleon great was his almost foolhardy aggressiveness, irascible personality, his ability to successfully exploit opportunity and his military genius. Aside from both being military geniuses, they were almost polar-opposite personalities.
 
Jan 2015
3,363
Front Lines of the Pig War
#57
Sincerely.. Omar Bradley was the best West allied General by far...Monty was too much cautious... Bradley mixed cautious and audacity..
Or Bradley mixed incompetence with arrogance? :zany:

What major battles commanded by Bradley is he known for?

Hurtgen Forest and getting mauled in the Bulge, until Patton came to the rescue.
 
Jan 2015
5,578
Ontario, Canada
#58
Montgomery was among the best of the Allied commanders, one of the few who had experience. Bradley was terrible and was known for being more cautious and yet somehow more reckless than Montgomery. As his Rhine campaign in 1944 proves.
 
Aug 2015
2,359
uk
#59
I'm not sure any other general could have done what Wellington did in the Peninsular campaign. Would Wellington have performed better in Market Garden? I would like to think so. Monty is not a bad general by any means, but not in the same league as the Duke. You can only really compare them properly with their contemporaries; one was the best commander of his generation whilst the other wasn't.
 
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Aug 2015
2,359
uk
#60
As to superiority; it is to a general's credit that he fights with superiority in numbers, not his detriment. Fight when you can win, don't when you cannot (unless there are exceptional circumstances). This is why -ultimately - Wellington won and Napoleon lost.
 
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