Portugal vs. Spain: Who had the more dominant empire?

More dominant empire?

  • Spain

    Votes: 20 83.3%
  • Portugal

    Votes: 4 16.7%

  • Total voters
    24
Feb 2012
3,888
Portugal
#31
A union is not an achievement. It makes a big difference.

Uma, união não é uma conquista. Faz grande diferença.
Dear Latino don't like to disagree with you but if one accepts that António Prior do Crato having been acclaimed king by the population was the king of Portugal, or if you simply consider the sucession should have fallen into a Portuguese candidate despite of who had the best case, then it is difficult not to consider it a conquest. They had a better army with a better general and veterans from European campaigns, they also had more money and Portugal was politicaly divided besides being overstretched and indebted was also depleted by the disaster of Alacácer Quibir.
 
Oct 2015
5,124
Matosinhos Portugal
#32
Disaster of Alacácer Quibir. It gave origin to the union 1580 to 1640
Portugal paid well with the defeat of the battle Alcacer Quibir.


Desastre de Alacácer Quibir. Deu a origem á união 1580 a 1640
Portugal pagou bem cáro com a derrota da batalha Alcacer Quibir.

Se o desastre fosse ao contrário eles tinham que nos aturar nós portuguêses , como não foi temos nós que os aturar.
O país com uniões de outros países anexados.
 
Feb 2012
3,888
Portugal
#33
Disaster of Alacácer Quibir. It gave origin to the union 1580 to 1640
Portugal paid well with the defeat of the battle Alcacer Quibir.


Desastre de Alacácer Quibir. Deu a origem á união 1580 a 1640
Portugal pagou bem cáro com a derrota da batalha Alcacer Quibir.

Se o desastre fosse ao contrário eles tinham que nos aturar nós portuguêses , como não foi temos nós que os aturar.
O país com uniões de outros países anexados.
Maybe it was "bad karma" for the conquests in India and other things. Don't know if this assessment is correct but by comparison to Castille-Aragon and other European powers the country seems to have peaked under João II and moved downhill after.
 

Tulius

Ad Honorem
May 2016
5,197
Portugal
#36
Dear Latino don't like to disagree with you but if one accepts that António Prior do Crato having been acclaimed king by the population was the king of Portugal, or if you simply consider the sucession should have fallen into a Portuguese candidate despite of who had the best case, then it is difficult not to consider it a conquest. They had a better army with a better general and veterans from European campaigns, they also had more money and Portugal was politicaly divided besides being overstretched and indebted was also depleted by the disaster of Alacácer Quibir.
I agree with Latino here, Prior do Crato, if we consider him a king, a ephemeral king, he was mostly a candidate, like Filipe II. There were two candidates and one took the throne. Prior do Crato was never proclaimed in the Cortes, like Filipe I. Filipe had much more support in Portugal, even if he used foreigner troops to quickly take the throne.

Which conquest you are referring to.
Probably to the conquests of Albuquerque: Many cities around the Indian Ocean, the major being Ormuz, Goa and Malacca. For the Portuguese, India was all that set of fortress and trade points around the Indian Ocean.
 
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Oct 2015
5,124
Matosinhos Portugal
#38
Spain formed the bigger and dominant Empire in Americas and Asia, but Portuguese empire were more long lasting.
Friend you know that the Portuguese were the first Spaniards were the second because the Portuguese taught them the way, yes the Spanish empire bigger than the Portuguese, they were 7 or 8 million and the Portuguese or 2 million people had, it is easy to to say that the empire of England and Spain was greater than Portugal, friend for example if Portugal had the population of England what would be the size of the empire of Portugal, I do not speak to be the greatest, I speak of history speak of being greater I can only say that it was Portugal to take the initiative to give the world the new worlds.

In portuguese.


Amigo voçê sabe que os portuguêses foram os primeiros os espanhois foram os segundos porque os portugueses lhes ensinaram o caminho,sim o império espanhol maior que o português ,eles eram 7 ou 8 milhões e os portuguêses nem 2 milhões de pessoas tinha,é fácil de dizer que o império da Inglaterra e da espanha foi maior do que Portugal,amigo por exemplo se Portugal tinha a população da Inglaterra qual seria a dimensão do império de Portugal,não falo para ser o maior,falo de história falar de ser maior só posso dizer que foi Portugal a ter a iniciativa de dar ao mundo os novos mundos.
 
Feb 2012
3,888
Portugal
#39
The statement that the empire of Castille-Aragon was dominant in Asia is also a bit relative and it is not clear to which period it refers, or if the Castillians-Aragoneses controlled a larger share of trade there. I think it is not wrong to say that the Portuguese empire was not primarily meant to be a territorial one but was supposed to be a commercial one. Conquest and colonization were either out of necessity for that purpose or if oportunity presented itself. This is not to say one is better than the other since trade also meant slave trade. Commerce as events showed required land bases and conquests. And eventualy both committed abuses.
For example it seems that being an intermediary in the commerce between China and Japan was one of the most profitable activities Portugal had in Asia yet it didn't involve dominating those countries which was impossible.
 
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Oct 2015
5,124
Matosinhos Portugal
#40
By the way is this for real?


johnincornwall . fala assim porque é espanhol castelhano -


Portugal 1249

Reinos Unidos Espanha 1492 -Reinos Unidos Spain 1492


Date of birth of Portugal 1095 full country 1249


for those who know the history of the Iberian peninsula, here are the dates of the two countries.