Prussia acquires Alsace-Lorraine in 1815

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What if Prussia would have been allowed to acquire Alsace-Lorraine in 1815 in order for it to have a shield against any future French expansionist attempts? How would a Prussian Alsace-Lorraine from 1815 onward have affected Prussian history, French history, Alsace-Lorraine history, and European history in general?
 
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Alsace Lorraine would have given Prussia more resources, making it more powerful. Giving Prussia the region this early would probably eliminate the French gripe about losing it in 1870 but a war against France may still be necessary to unify the German state. So everything may pretty much go the same, just France couldn't blame it all on the loss of Alsace-Lorraine. An important factor would be how Prussia treats the region, is it how Germany did in real life or better?
 
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I suspect that Prussia will treat Alsace-Lorraine better than Germany did in real life due to the fact that, AFAIK, pro-French sentiment was more ingrained in the population of Alsace-Lorraine in 1871 than it was back in 1815. Thus, there would be less reason for Prussia to feel suspicious towards the Alsatians and Lorrainers.

Also, if a Franco-Prussian War still eventually occurs in this scenario, is Prussia not going to take any additional territory from France? If so, is there not going to be an attitude of revenge in France post-1871?
 
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I suspect that Prussia will treat Alsace-Lorraine better than Germany did in real life due to the fact that, AFAIK, pro-French sentiment was more ingrained in the population of Alsace-Lorraine in 1871 than it was back in 1815. Thus, there would be less reason for Prussia to feel suspicious towards the Alsatians and Lorrainers.

Also, if a Franco-Prussian War still eventually occurs in this scenario, is Prussia not going to take any additional territory from France? If so, is there not going to be an attitude of revenge in France post-1871?
There would be no need for any territory, although greedy statesmen may still recommend it. France may still demand revenge for the humiliation and for being displaced as the main continental power.
 
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There would be no need for any territory, although greedy statesmen may still recommend it. France may still demand revenge for the humiliation and for being displaced as the main continental power.
The vast natural resources in Briey and Longwy weren't discovered yet in 1871, though. As for France, sure, it'd be pissed off, but would it still have the same level of anger at Prussia/Germany as it had in real life?
 
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The vast natural resources in Briey and Longwy weren't discovered yet in 1871, though. As for France, sure, it'd be pissed off, but would it still have the same level of anger at Prussia/Germany as it had in real life?
Alsace-Lorraine was just an excuse to be mad, France would be angry regardless. A unified and powerful Germany would be a threat to France in any scenario.
 

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France takes every loss like its global tragedy, if they suffered the kinds of losses Germany did in the 20th century, then they probably would have permanently collapsed.
Pre-WWI France didn't have German territorial losses as an example to see just how well-off France itself was, though.
 
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What if Prussia would have been allowed to acquire Alsace-Lorraine in 1815 in order for it to have a shield against any future French expansionist attempts? How would a Prussian Alsace-Lorraine from 1815 onward have affected Prussian history, French history, Alsace-Lorraine history, and European history in general?
Would have made Prussian unification even more likely(though the butterfly effect could also change things in unforeseen ways). If you're thinking it changes Franco-Prussia and by extension WWI and WWII you could be right. But the reason it was taken was because the Kaiser wanted something for war, and that was the most logical thing to take. There was no deep seated desire to get back Alsace-Lorraine and given the circumstances, Wilhelm is just as likely to have pointed to something else as a prize than to have taken nothing at all. There's not exactly a large list of alternatives and those alternatives might not have invoked the same response as a province containing a city like Strausborg did so maybe that makes a difference regardless of the Kaiser's motives and WWI can be averted.