Psychiatry and dictators

May 2017
1,128
France
#1
Hello everybody and dear specialists.We know that Mussolini,the megalomaniac italian dictator, had an intelligence middle;he obtained 136 points/total 150 at the competitive examination of the "normal school" to be institutor.But Hitler was considered as a real bad artist by the specialists of the artistic paint (one of his picture is a nullity because he paints the shadows as if there was two suns in the sky).Is it possible that the conscience of their poor capacities to build something degenerate in a real psychiatry hillness which pushes them to try to dominate absolutely the world in a sort of bloody destiny ?
 

Chlodio

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Aug 2016
4,312
Dispargum
#2
There is the idea of compensation, that perceived shortcomings in one area motivate the subject to excel in other areas. One theory of Hitler's ambition is that it was compensation for his bashfulness with women. I suppose compensation in one area does not preclude a second compensation in another aspect of Hitler's personality. I suppose it's possible Hitler could also be ambitious to compensate for being a bad artist.
 

tomar

Ad Honoris
Jan 2011
13,765
#3
I am a bad artist :)

But seriously, psychiatry is really not an exact science..... As an example , you have cases of murderers and rapists released from jail ahead of time for "good conduct" after having been vetted by psychiatrists who murder and rape just a short time after their release....

And you have this statistic

According to the National Institute of Justice, about 68 percent of 405,000 prisoners released in 30 states in 2005 were arrested for a new crime within three years of their release from prison, and 77 percent were arrested within five years

Recidivism - Wikipedia
 
May 2017
1,128
France
#4
I don t want to say that a psychiatric hillness permits to the advocate of the criminal to discuss easily about a sort of irresponsability.But even if Hitler was searching a sort of spectacular compensation for his artistic nullity,i have never seen a bad artist provoking the death of millions of people.
 
Nov 2016
970
Germany
#6
Here is why Hitler wasn't evil(No holocaust denial)

Quote from my post:

So at least three circumstances coincided in the emergence of Hitler's anti-Semitism: (1) brutal paternal sadism as a model for subsequent identification, (2) the possibility of narcissistic satisfaction through the mediation of anti-Semitic ideas, and (3) admiration for Luther as a catalyst for identification with anti-Semitic ideas.

I assume that all three circumstances had to coincide to generate the level of anti-Semitic hatred that was characteristic of Hitler from the 1920s onwards.

The initial lack of father identification also led to an excessive fixation of Hitler's mother, which was accompanied by the unconscious desire for ´return´ in the paradisiacal perfect womb, which of course is to be understood psychologically and not biologically. Hitler expressed this in his fantasies about the goddess Germania as a symbolic figure of the German Reich, which he preferred to call ´Mutterland´ and less often ´Vaterland´. Thus he contrasted the idealized mother with the hated father, whose sadistic traits he only took on in order to be prepared for the annihilation of all ´enemies´ of the idealized mother, i.e. the Jews and the Bolsheviks.
 
Jul 2019
89
Pale Blue Dot - Moonshine Quadrant
#7
Hitler's mental state has always interested me.

Walter C. Langer's A Psychological Analysis of Adolf Hitler, an OSS project during the war, is a pretty interesting read and is available on the Internet.

The Medical Casebook of Adolf Hitler by Leonard and Renate Heston was also interesting to me. In its focus om Hitler's medical condition it is pretty dry but I found it useful - especially Hitler's drug usage. Renate Heston spoke German and could thus read the original documents. Albert Speer wrote the Introduction to the book.

On Amazon.com one reviewer of the book is the son of Dr. Harlan Alpern who wrote a "book report" for a course on the Nazi state. That report is posted on Amazon

A few quotes from that book report follow:

"...the Hestons conclude that Hitler took injections and pills of amphetamine in high doses from the end of summer of 1942 until his death in April 1945, and it was the amphetamines which most probably caused the organic brain syndrome and its characteristic clinical manifestations. This is the thesis of the book."

"...close associates included General Halder, Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces, General Alfred Jodl, Chief of Operations of the Armed Forces, Otto Dietrich, Press Secretary, Heinz Assmann, naval attache, Heinrich Himmler, SS Chief, Martin Bormann, Hitler's personal secretary, Field Marshal von Rundstedt, and Dr. Theo Morell, Hitler's personal physician. As a group they reported personality characteristics of Hitler after late 1942 of: unwarranted anger, rage, suspiciousness, mistrust, isolation, excessive attention to detail, impulsiveness, pathologic thinking, indecision, paranoia, repetition, manic-depression, and grandiosity. These are clinical features of organic brain syndrome."

"...beginning in late 1941 or early 1942 Hitler received an intravenous injection of methamphetamine from Dr. Morell nearly every morning as routine preparation for the day. In addition intermittent use of lower dose amphetamine may have begun as early as 1936. Traudl Junge, Hitler's secretary, and Heinz Assmann, naval attache, noted the immediate effects of the drug on Hitler. Walter Hewel, of the foreign office reported that over time Hitler called for Dr. Morell to administer an injection of methamphetamine more frequently than once per day."

"...In the last several years of his life Hitler experienced a neuro-degenerative disease manifest as a tremor involving first his entire left arm, subsequently his left leg (affecting his walking), and finally his right hand. Some have suggested that these tremors were due to Parkinson's disease but the tremors may have been due to the neurotoxicity of the amphetamines. In addition, Dr. Morell believed that Hitler sustained a small stroke in early 1945. "


The health of world leaders has been under-appreciated in my opinion - although that has changed recently.

As Neoconservatives and more traditional conservatives struggle for control of the Reagan Administration occasioned a Peggy Noonan comment that:

"The battle for the mind of Ronald Reagan was like the trench warfare of World War I: never have so many fought so hard for such barren terrain." Given Reagan's later Alzheimer’s diagnose that comment may have said more than she realized.

There have been questions about JFK's medications.

FDR's health leading up to his 1944 re-election is now known to have been seriously weakening.

Some have argued that Calvin Coolidge was clinically depressed after his son got a blister playing tennis on the White House court (no socks) and died a few days later.

Warren G. Harding was a physical wreck who only got as far as he did because his physician father put his adult son on a diet.

According to Edwin A. Weinstein, Woodrow Wilson reportedly had his first stroke in 1896 and had another in 1906 that harmed his vision in one eye; apparently arteriosclerosis was diagnoised at that time. There was another stroke in 1913 and in 1915 a doctor found evidence of hypertension and a hardening of the arteries.

Richard Striner, author of Woodrow Wilson and World War One: A Burden Too Great to Bear, has noted that editorial colleagues of historian Arthur S. Link wrote: “It became obvious to us while going through the documents from late April to about mid-May 1919 that Wilson was undergoing some kind of a crisis in his health...“Wilson’s handwriting continued to deteriorate even further. It grew increasingly awkward, was more and more heavily inked, and became almost grotesque.”

Striner commented: "Whatever happened to Wilson seems to have occurred when he was signing letters in the morning of April 28 when his handwriting changed and became almost bizarre. Link summoned some medical specialists who told him that in their own opinion there was simply no doubt about it: Wilson had suffered a stroke on the morning of April 28." - while at Versailles. This was all before Wilson's debilitating stroke back in the United States.

Striner also said: "For a long time, qualified medical observers have theorized that Wilson suffered from a cerebro-vascular condition that warped his judgment for several years before the stroke."

Grover Cleveland had secret oral cancer surgery while in office.
 
Nov 2016
970
Germany
#8
There have been questions about JFK's medications.
JFK (of course no dictator) was constantly suffering from back pain, which was probably the main cause of his lack of sexual endurance. He could and did it often, but only for a short time, and was what in the USA is called a "two-minute-man". One lover, actress Angie Dickinson, made it public that her intercourse with JFK was the "most memorable 15 seconds of my life". Another reason was certainly that JFK was an absolute chauvinist, who cheated on Jackie almost every day and only sought fast lust during sex, without the woman's lust playing a role.

JFK with his brother-in-law and chief matchmaker Peter Lawford some days after MMs death in August 62:

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Comet

Forum Staff
Aug 2006
8,702
IA
#9
Hitler's mental state has always interested me.

Walter C. Langer's A Psychological Analysis of Adolf Hitler, an OSS project during the war, is a pretty interesting read and is available on the Internet.

The Medical Casebook of Adolf Hitler by Leonard and Renate Heston was also interesting to me. In its focus om Hitler's medical condition it is pretty dry but I found it useful - especially Hitler's drug usage. Renate Heston spoke German and could thus read the original documents. Albert Speer wrote the Introduction to the book.

On Amazon.com one reviewer of the book is the son of Dr. Harlan Alpern who wrote a "book report" for a course on the Nazi state. That report is posted on Amazon

A few quotes from that book report follow:

"...the Hestons conclude that Hitler took injections and pills of amphetamine in high doses from the end of summer of 1942 until his death in April 1945, and it was the amphetamines which most probably caused the organic brain syndrome and its characteristic clinical manifestations. This is the thesis of the book."

"...close associates included General Halder, Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces, General Alfred Jodl, Chief of Operations of the Armed Forces, Otto Dietrich, Press Secretary, Heinz Assmann, naval attache, Heinrich Himmler, SS Chief, Martin Bormann, Hitler's personal secretary, Field Marshal von Rundstedt, and Dr. Theo Morell, Hitler's personal physician. As a group they reported personality characteristics of Hitler after late 1942 of: unwarranted anger, rage, suspiciousness, mistrust, isolation, excessive attention to detail, impulsiveness, pathologic thinking, indecision, paranoia, repetition, manic-depression, and grandiosity. These are clinical features of organic brain syndrome."

"...beginning in late 1941 or early 1942 Hitler received an intravenous injection of methamphetamine from Dr. Morell nearly every morning as routine preparation for the day. In addition intermittent use of lower dose amphetamine may have begun as early as 1936. Traudl Junge, Hitler's secretary, and Heinz Assmann, naval attache, noted the immediate effects of the drug on Hitler. Walter Hewel, of the foreign office reported that over time Hitler called for Dr. Morell to administer an injection of methamphetamine more frequently than once per day."

"...In the last several years of his life Hitler experienced a neuro-degenerative disease manifest as a tremor involving first his entire left arm, subsequently his left leg (affecting his walking), and finally his right hand. Some have suggested that these tremors were due to Parkinson's disease but the tremors may have been due to the neurotoxicity of the amphetamines. In addition, Dr. Morell believed that Hitler sustained a small stroke in early 1945. "

The health of world leaders has been under-appreciated in my opinion - although that has changed recently.

As Neoconservatives and more traditional conservatives struggle for control of the Reagan Administration occasioned a Peggy Noonan comment that:

"The battle for the mind of Ronald Reagan was like the trench warfare of World War I: never have so many fought so hard for such barren terrain." Given Reagan's later Alzheimer’s diagnose that comment may have said more than she realized.

There have been questions about JFK's medications.

FDR's health leading up to his 1944 re-election is now known to have been seriously weakening.

Some have argued that Calvin Coolidge was clinically depressed after his son got a blister playing tennis on the White House court (no socks) and died a few days later.

Warren G. Harding was a physical wreck who only got as far as he did because his physician father put his adult son on a diet.

According to Edwin A. Weinstein, Woodrow Wilson reportedly had his first stroke in 1896 and had another in 1906 that harmed his vision in one eye; apparently arteriosclerosis was diagnoised at that time. There was another stroke in 1913 and in 1915 a doctor found evidence of hypertension and a hardening of the arteries.

Richard Striner, author of Woodrow Wilson and World War One: A Burden Too Great to Bear, has noted that editorial colleagues of historian Arthur S. Link wrote: “It became obvious to us while going through the documents from late April to about mid-May 1919 that Wilson was undergoing some kind of a crisis in his health...“Wilson’s handwriting continued to deteriorate even further. It grew increasingly awkward, was more and more heavily inked, and became almost grotesque.”

Striner commented: "Whatever happened to Wilson seems to have occurred when he was signing letters in the morning of April 28 when his handwriting changed and became almost bizarre. Link summoned some medical specialists who told him that in their own opinion there was simply no doubt about it: Wilson had suffered a stroke on the morning of April 28." - while at Versailles. This was all before Wilson's debilitating stroke back in the United States.

Striner also said: "For a long time, qualified medical observers have theorized that Wilson suffered from a cerebro-vascular condition that warped his judgment for several years before the stroke."

Grover Cleveland had secret oral cancer surgery while in office.
You can add Explaining Hitler to that list of good books. I now have a keen interest in the psychology of past historical figures as I am pursuing a degree in applied behavior analysis. I think it would make a fascinating read marrying the two topics into a book.
 
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Comet

Forum Staff
Aug 2006
8,702
IA
#10
If you want to go back even further, check out the book, Mad Princes of Renaissance Germany. Dont remember the author of the top of my head, but it is a fascinating read.
 

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