Putin conquers and annexes all of Novorossiya in 2014

Sep 2012
3,716
Bulgaria
#91
The capitalist boom and great economic growth in the Russian Empire began in the last quarter of the 19th century. Western investment played a major role in it. I have already mentioned the French “Billion Russian loan”. In Kiev were built several large factories owned by Europeans, including the largest factory of Grether and Krivanek, Czech entrepreneurs. A number of factories were built on the territory of Ukraine until 1917 by Germans, Czechs, Belgians, and also citizens of the Russian Empire - Russians, Ukrainians, and Jews.

Donetsk
before 1924 and 1941–1943 - Yuzovka
in 1924–1941 and 1943–1961 - Stalin, Staline, Stalino
The city de facto was founded by the English entrepreneur Hughes, who in 1869 built a metallurgical plant and a village near it in that place. Yuzovka was named after his surname. The status of the city Yuzovka with a population of 70 thousand received only in 1917, almost 20 years after the death of Hughes.

In Yuzovka was the area of this settlement which was called the English colony. The English people lived in it
I read a bit about the man. Apparently the town that was created alongside the ironworks was intended for the Welsh ironworkers. After the revolution in 1917 most of them left the country, but some stayed. According to Phil Carradice they were all Welsh & Hughes brought only his compatriots to Yuzovka town.This English thingy is common trait of all foreign barbarians :) who dont understand the difference between British and English, hence the town is English according to the campaign poster above. The Queen is English, the Islands are English /Anglia, Angliiski etc/
 
Aug 2014
214
New York, USA
#92
Learning something new every day. A Welshman founded today's capital of Donetsk People's Republic and the town was named Yuzovka after John Hughes until the commies renamed it to Stalino. After the end of cult of personality then city was renamed again to Donetsk. The centre of Donetsk is known as English Colony, why not Welsh i have no idea.
Russian Empire at the time was fairly multicultural and embraced a lot of capitalist ideas at the end of 19th beginning of 20th centuries. Remember, people like Mannerheim started their military careers as officers in the Russian Empire. The old pre-revolutionary pictures of Vladivostok and St. Petersburg are also fascinating.
 
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Nov 2015
1,725
Kyiv
#93
For better understanding of the real intentions of Russia regarding Ukraine, we can read the works of the Kremlin’s unofficial ideologist Alexander Dugin. I must say that for Putin, Dugin is not only a great authority. A series of practical actions by the Russian president is the embodiment of Dugin's ideas. Through the works of this Russian professor, the son of the General of the GRU (Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Army) red thread thinking is - an independent Ukrainian state is the main obstacle to the "Russian world"



From Dugin's book "Fundamentals of Geopolitics" (1997):

"... The sovereignty of Ukraine is a phenomenon that is so negative for Russian geopolitics that, in principle, it can easily provoke an armed conflict .... Ukraine as an independent state with some territorial ambitions represents a huge danger for the whole of Eurasia, and without solving the Ukrainian problem speaking about continental geopolitics is senseless in general. This does not mean that cultural-linguistic or economic autonomy of Ukraine should be limited and that it should become a purely administrative sector of the Russian centralized state (as to a certain extent there were cases in the imperial empire or under the USSR). But strategically, Ukraine should be a strictly projection of Moscow in the south and west (although details of possible re-structuring models will be discussed in the section on the West). "

And on May 6, 2014 in an interview with the Anna-News agency Dugin stated:

"... while in Kiev there are these nits, in fact, a Russian man, a man who hails from Kievan Rus, these are our roots, cannot easily exist. Either we really need to wipe out and rebuild, or people should actually come in themrselves.

... and I think kill, kill and kill. There should be no more talk. As a professor, I think so "

- After this interview, lecturers and students of Moscow State University, where Dugin was at that time the dean of the Department of Sociology of International Relations, prepared a petition demanding to dismiss him from the university. The petition has collected more than 10 thousand signatures. However, Dugin remained to work there further.

During the war with Ukraine in Russia, Russian analysts are discussing on television the topic - either a big war and occupation is needed with Ukraine - or the collapse of Russia is inevitable


At the end of the interview the expert adds - I am not saying that the option of war with Ukraine is a good one. It is an alternative to the collapse of Russia through the collapse of its economy.
 

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Ad Honoris
May 2014
16,877
SoCal
#94
I have a question for everyone here--how much sanctions do you think the West would have put on Russia had it sent its own troops to conquer all of Novorossiya in 2014? Also, do you think that Russia and/or China would have been capable of financing Novorossiya's integration into Russia--specifically uplifting the Novorossiyan economy and standards of living to Russian levels?
 
Jan 2015
3,244
Front Lines of the Pig War
#95
I have a question for everyone here--how much sanctions do you think the West would have put on Russia had it sent its own troops to conquer all of Novorossiya in 2014? Also, do you think that Russia and/or China would have been capable of financing Novorossiya's integration into Russia--specifically uplifting the Novorossiyan economy and standards of living to Russian levels?
I don't see them either wanting or succeeding in invading/integrating Ukraine.
The best outcome for Russia would be a non-aligned Ukraine, similar to Finland or Sweden.
 

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Ad Honoris
May 2014
16,877
SoCal
#98
For what purpose?
Not particularly valuable in resources (except perhaps Don basin), economy in poor shape and a largely hostile population (except Crimea )
Anatoly Karlin (a Russian blogger) argues that Novorossiya would have experienced a massive increase in support for union with Russia after the fact just like Crimea did.

As for the economy being in poor shape, enough investment and enough time could fix this. Of course, there would also be the issue of Russia very possibly facing North Korea-level sanctions from the West in response to such a Russian move.
 
Nov 2015
1,725
Kyiv
#99
Anatoly Karlin (a Russian blogger) argues that Novorossiya would have experienced a massive increase in support for union with Russia after the fact just like Crimea did.

As for the economy being in poor shape, enough investment and enough time could fix this. Of course, there would also be the issue of Russia very possibly facing North Korea-level sanctions from the West in response to such a Russian move.
Ukraine is rich in mineral resources, and Ukrainian black soil is the best in the world. Its thickness reaches 1 meter. And most of the Ukrainian mineral resources are located outside the territories of Ukraine occupied by Russia.
At the same time, Russia really occupied half of the main Ukrainian economic zone - Donbass. And the sluggish war that Russia unleashed against Ukraine in the Donbas sharply worsened the climate in Ukraine for Western investors. Several enterprises that they built in Ukraine in recent years, almost all are located in Western Ukraine

I have to say that the mineral resources and Ukraian industry are not an only target for Russian expansion. In the military complex of the Soviet Union Ukraine with its rich intellectual resources and high-quality workforce played a very important role. Here were concentrated major centers for the development and production of military electronics. In Ukraine were also located the centers for the production of military missiles and large military transport aircraft. And every third officer of the Soviet army was Ukrainian.

As for Russian investments in the Crimea, the practice shows that their size directly depends on how politically problematic this or that territory is for Moscow. Thus, the cash infusion of Russia into Chechnya is maximum. And North Ossetia and Abkhazia are sitting on a starvation diet. At the same time, many people in Crimea are dissatisfied with Russia and the fact that it did not fulfill the bulk of the promises that it gave to the residents of the Crimea when its occupation of the peninsula began. Suffice to say that the number of tourists in the Crimea has decreased several times in comparison with 2013. I have rested in the Crimea many times and see on webcams how much Crimean beaches have become empty during the tourist season of 2015-2018 compared to the times when more than 4 million Ukrainian tourists had a rest (plus 2 million Russians). The official figures of the number of tourists that Russia publishes, amid this bleak video, are frankly false. Therefore, Russia has to buy the loyalty of the Crimeans by cash infusion. But this does not always help. Therefore, the FSB is there very careful to ensure that there are no open protests there.
 
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Nov 2015
1,725
Kyiv
I don't see them either wanting or succeeding in invading/integrating Ukraine.
The best outcome for Russia would be a non-aligned Ukraine, similar to Finland or Sweden.
There are other reasons for Ukraine’s accession — or most of its territory — to Russia. Pure ideological ones. The whole Russian ideological concept is based on the fact that the territory of Ukraine is “eternal Russian”, Kiev is the mother of Russian cities, and Rus was the first Russian state in history. Moreover, if you start reading everything that is written in Russia about Ukraine and Ukrainians, you will learn amazing things.

That Kiev was originally inhabited by ethnic Russians. And that the Ukrainians appeared in those places from nowhere, and they are not a people at all but something incomprehensible. That Ukraine is the original Russian land. And Russia has all historical rights to it.

Therefore, having lost Ukraine, the entire Russian ideology gave a big crack. Adn as I already have said if you familiarize yourself with the works of Alexander Dugin - he plays the role of the main ideologist for Putin - then independent Ukraine is a real catastrophe for the Russian World. And while Ukrainian independence exists, there is simply no life for Russia. Therefore, the Kremlin wants to end the Ukrainian independent state once and for ever. And Russia do not regret resources for this issue - and suffers enormous damage because of this attempt.
 
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