Questions regarding American Revolution & slavery with a what if?

Feb 2019
Interesting. Do you have any sources from the Revolutionary Period that shows that any of the founders were concerned about abolition in England spreading to America? There's a vague reference in the Declaration of Independence to Lord Dunmore's Proclamation, but it's a stretch to interpret that as you have.

There was a common belief in America, even in the South and even among slave owners, that slavery was dying a long, slow natural death due to economic factors. Can you prove that anyone thought that independence would pump new life into the institution of slavery?

Same question, do you have any sources showing that the planter aristocracy used the promise of slavery to justify independence? Independence was most controversial in the southern colonies, at least initially. There were more loyalists in the South than in New England, for example.
I have my proud family history and an understanding from a life long study of human thought process as my foundations for this hypothesis. I have kept this thought secret for a very long time, but I know how those people's brains worked and if any young aspiring historians out there were to look into the communications of the less famous, yet still very important players behind the scenes, I have no doubt that protecting their long term interest in the institution of slavery was foremost on their minds.

I have lived long enough to see the rift in society go from a tiny barely noticed crack to an impassible void. This void is between two ancient groups of people: Conservatives versus everyone else. A primary difference between conservative and non-conservative people is their understanding and relationship with history.
Non-conservative people aren't as focused on the good things in history as much, they appreciate the good, but won't explain away the bad. Non-conservative's have less trouble acknowledging the ignorance and moral failures of their ancestors than their counterparts are willing to allow. It is very liberating to admit it actually.

In my proud family history there is more than one ancestor who came to the New World seeking great wealth. I had ancestors in the North seeking vast tracks of land and ancestors in the South who believed they would find vast troves of hidden treasure. They came here at the very beginning of the period with vastness in mind, and damn it, they were going to make it happen.
My Southern ancestors were instrumental in the formation of the plantation system. I have two colonial governor's one Virginia, the other South Carolina. At least one of them, in his senior years was a personal advisor to President Washington. I have a common ancestor with Robert E Lee a hundred years before the revolution. My people hung out with Madison, Jefferson and Adams. I have no trouble at all reconciling who these people were as human beings. I have no problem understand how they came to chose the path they were determined to follow. My only responsibility as an heir to their legacy is to reflect on their decisions and be able to recognize them for what they were, in all way's, good and bad.
Because of this, I have been able to ask questions that most people wouldn't even dare to imagine. I'm getting old, I want to pass these questions on to a younger much smarter generation than those who are as old, older of a little younger than I who and still running the world into the ground. This is one of those questions.
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Mar 2019
TOO MANY "What if"s!!!!

What if a Colonial buzzard had a juke box up his ass???? Would there be music in the skies??? WHAT IF Gnl Lee had a brigade of Vikings with AK47s at Gettyburg? WHAT IF Thomas Jefferson was an *******? What then?

Slavery until 1833 and no Civil War???? Whio ******* knows....
Feb 2019
We fought that war to protect my ancestors right to keep slaves. If they hadn't had the good cause of Liberty to motivate the little people they would have waited until the inevitable end of slavery throughout the empire before making that move. My acestors were smart people, they knew how to manipulate the lower classes into giving them pretty much everything they wanted. Sorry man, that's the truth.
Aug 2017
Tijuana, Mexico
At the time of the Revolutionary War slavery was a dying institution. That changed, of course, with the invention of the cotton gin.

The South alone was not strong enough to have won a war of independance (and the North would not have supported a revolution that had the goal of protecting slavery). Had there been no Revolution War Great Britain would have easily put down a Southern rebellion, much like the United States quickly ended the Wiskey Rebellion.

Edric Streona

Ad Honorem
Feb 2016
I’m not sure.
Bu if there has been NO rebellion in 1770s-80s... then that means NO revolution in France.
Napoleon plays out his career as an artillery officer in the Royal Army, maybe reaching to colonel or even general if there are some wars.

I’m sure somewhere between 1780-1830 Europe would find some excuse for a big war.. and at that point Britain-British North America would make a move on Louisiana. Florida we must assume is also Spanish still.

Problem is British naval supremacy is established during the Napoleonic War, if there has been no such war, or only smaller wars... Britain is probably not the sole master of the Sea, we can assume France and Spain are at least formidable navies aswell... so Anglo-American Victory is not as assured as it would be if France has not fallen behind GB in nautical power.

Britain made slave trading illegal in 1807. So we can assume American plantation owners would have had 23 years to get used to the idea that slavery was numbered. They’d have been impacted immediately.. so I’d hazard that 1807 would have been a more likely time for a slavery motivated rebellion... if they hadn’t taken action by then the next 23 years would have re-enforced in the minds of most Americans that slavery was wrong and the 1833 abolition would have been less jarring.
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