Realistic monarchical restorations which didn't happen in real life

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Their presence in the Serbian parliament is minuscule nowadays, no?
They have about 2 seats, which is almost nothing. I think that they're in the coalition with the government though. A monarchical restoration in Serbia from the 1990s until the present day is nigh-impossible, the monarchist movement is too small to make any meaningful impact on a national level.
 
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Maybe Russia if the Whites win the civil war.

Montenegro if they break away from Yugoslavia early on.

Yugoslavia if the Partisans lose the civil war.

Brazil, Pedro II was rather popular at the time of his overthrow.
All of this seems reasonable. I just wonder how exactly Montenegro could have broken away from Yugoslavia early on. It'd need some powerful foreign assistance for such a move, no? Perhaps Italian assistance?
 

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They have about 2 seats, which is almost nothing. I think that they're in the coalition with the government though. A monarchical restoration in Serbia from the 1990s until the present day is nigh-impossible, the monarchist movement is too small to make any meaningful impact on a national level.
Yeah, that's what I thought. Generally, it appears to be rather difficult to bring back a monarchy after it has already been overthrown.

Also, here is an additional realistic monarchical restoration possibility: A restoration of the Afghan monarchy after the overthrow of the Taliban in 2001. Of course, this would probably require a more realistic US President as opposed to one who is all gung-ho about spreading democracy.
 

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If it means anything you might be interested in this for Montenegro's attempt to break free:

Very interesting! I'll take a more detailed look at this article later on! :) Thanks for sharing it! :)

BTW, I just want to clarify--the Montenegrin Greens in 1919 were in favor of both Montenegrin independence and a confederal Yugoslavia? Or am I misunderstanding the paragraph at the start of this article?
 

Maki

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Pretty much. The Montenegrin Greens were not Montenegrin nationalists, like some modern historians might claim. They identified as ethnically Serb but were opposed to the unification with Serbia as it happened in 1918 with the overthrowal of the Montenegrin Petrović dynasty. In fact, Glas Crnogorca (Voice of a Montenegrin), the newspaper of the Montenegrin government in exile, frequently affirmed Montenegro's Serb identity, but was of course opposed to what they considered was an occupation of Montenegro by Serbia.

That being said, the Greens, once again unlike what many say today, were not the majority. The vast majority of the Montenegrins did not oppose and/or supported the unification proclaimed at the Great Assembly in Podgorica.
 

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Pretty much. The Montenegrin Greens were not Montenegrin nationalists, like some modern historians might claim. They identified as ethnically Serb but were opposed to the unification with Serbia as it happened in 1918 with the overthrowal of the Montenegrin Petrović dynasty. In fact, Glas Crnogorca (Voice of a Montenegrin), the newspaper of the Montenegrin government in exile, frequently affirmed Montenegro's Serb identity, but was of course opposed to what they considered was an occupation of Montenegro by Serbia.

That being said, the Greens, once again unlike what many say today, were not the majority. The vast majority of the Montenegrins did not oppose and/or supported the unification proclaimed at the Great Assembly in Podgorica.
Makes sense. That said, though, what exactly would be the difference between the Greens' advocated Montenegrin-Serb confederation and the Yugoslavia that existed in real life?
 

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Makes sense. That said, though, what exactly would be the difference between the Greens' advocated Montenegrin-Serb confederation and the Yugoslavia that existed in real life?
The Petrović dynasty would have remained on the throne of Montenegro. In fact, during the war, Montenegrin Crown Prince Danilo and Jovan Matanović, a Montenegrin emissary in the US proposed the formation of a trialist Yugoslavia which would have 3 territorial units: Serbia, Montenegro and Croatia. Crown Prince Danilo even went on to say: "I shall do as the Bavarian king did at Versailles". So, this trialist Yugoslavia would have been similar to the German Empire with a Karađorđević king as the overlord but with the Petrović dynasty of Montenegro remaining in power just as the Wittelsbachs remained in power in Bavaria. Montenegro would still retain its army, its diplomatic representatives, it would have a wide autonomy etc. However, king Nikola of Montenegro was apparently not satisfied with this idea and wanted total equality between Serbia and Montenegro in the new unified state. So, even among the Montenegrins there was no consensus about the new state and its form.

Of course, the Montenegrin people themselves clearly favoured unification. This was even confirmed by the Montenegrin Prince Mihailo Petrović-Njegoš, the grandson of the deposed king Nikola. Mihailo wrote in his memoirs:
"Although the vast majority of the Montenegrins said they were in favour of unification of Montenegro with Serbia - and the creation of the kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes - a small number of people refused to accept that."
(Mihailo Petrović-Njegoš, Iz mojih memoara, Srpska narodna odbrana, Windsor, Canada, 1961, pg. 33)
That small number were the Greens.
 
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The Petrović dynasty would have remained on the throne of Montenegro. In fact, during the war, Montenegrin Crown Prince Danilo and Jovan Matanović, a Montenegrin emissary in the US proposed the formation of a trialist Yugoslavia which would have 3 territorial units: Serbia, Montenegro and Croatia. Crown Prince Danilo even went on to say: "I shall do as the Bavarian king did at Versailles". So, this trialist Yugoslavia would have been similar to the German Empire with a Karađorđević king as the overlord but with the Petrović dynasty of Montenegro remaining in power just as the Wittelsbachs remained in power in Bavaria. Montenegro would still retain its army, its diplomatic representatives, it would have a wide autonomy etc. However, king Nikola of Montenegro was apparently not satisfied with this idea and wanted total equality between Serbia and Montenegro in the new unified state. So, even among the Montenegrins there was no consensus about the new state and its form.

Of course, the Montenegrin people themselves clearly favoured unification. This was even confirmed by the Montenegrin Prince Mihailo Petrović-Njegoš, the grandson of the deposed king Nikola. Mihailo wrote in his memoirs:
"Although the vast majority of the Montenegrins said they were in favour of unification of Montenegro with Serbia - and the creation of the kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes - a small number of people refused to accept that."
(Mihailo Petrović-Njegoš, Iz mojih memoara, Srpska narodna odbrana, Windsor, Canada, 1961, pg. 33)
That small number were the Greens.
Thanks, Maki.

In your own personal assessment was CP Danilo perceived as a character of smilar depth and similar esteem among those near the center of the traditional big brother, the Tsar's advisors, relative to Alexander's achievement in gaining goodwill? Also, beyond Russia with the Entente powers? While the Italians may have had close ties with Njegos-P'vic there's little indication that UK, at least after Gladstone, took note of them.

I'd imagine that it was apparent to anyone who had been following events that Alexander had become the central figure for the future of Kingdom SCS.
 
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Maki

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Italy supported the Greens because it suited their interests to try to destabilize the new Kingdom of SCS. Other powers simply accepted the situation on the ground. Crown Prince Danilo renounced all his royal claims to Montenegro in 1921 and passed them on to Prince Mihailo who also affirmed that the unification was legitimate. So one could almost argue that it was only king Nikola that really opposed the unification.