- Aug 2013
- United States
Do we know what they looked like?
Mostly because I haven't seen Dajiangjunpao listed among naval armament of any period (throughout Ming Dynasty). It's was mostly either Fagong, Wudi Dajiangjunpao (the giant breechloading gun), or Red Barbarian cannon during later period.
I don't think there was any particular reason they couldn't use Dajiangjunpao on a ship, they just didn't. Dajiangjunpao (the iron version) was first designed in 1585 to defend against the nomads in the north. By that time, the Japanese pirates were already dealt with, Yu Dayou already passed away, and Qi Jiguang was fired from his job. The next time Ming Dynasty faced significant naval challenge, they already had access to Red Barbarian cannon.
I was wrong when I assume Wankouchong as lightweight. A Wankouchong dated to 1553 found in Quanzhou weighs 160kg.
OK. To summarize above mentioned:The bronze one, yes. Those could be used on warships.
Yes.OK. To summarize above mentioned:
1. You are talking about Iron Dajiangjunpao have not been used on ship. However Bronze Dajiangjunpao are listed among naval armament- please confirm if I understand you correctly. Then I can re-paint my guns.
2. I believe that in absence of any standardization, and with leasing-gun's practice it is very difficult to talk about "common" or "typical" gun - most probably ships were armed with any available guns from armory.
3. To avoid misunderstanding in terminology I will provide pictures and names of gun (as I understand it)- for you to check/confirm.
You are correct. This picture I think is a Japanese cannon, based on the same model.
Correct. I think this picture is a purely European gun though, Mary Rose cannon probably.
Correct. Only late Ming version that look no differently from red barbarian cannon survived.Fa Gong
You're correct.Hongyipao (紅夷炮)
Please correct me if I make mistakes here
I will try:
Thank you for your reply. Just one small clarification- I believe that guns on thus picture are rather Zhankou chong (盏口铳) [cup-sized muzzle cannon], when Wankou chong (碗口銃 ) is bowl-sized muzzle cannon.
My understanding is those are different names for the same gun, is that true?Thank you for your reply. Just one small clarification- I believe that guns on thus picture are rather Zhankou chong (盏口铳) [cup-sized muzzle cannon], when Wankou chong (碗口銃 ) is bowl-sized muzzle cannon.
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