Republican Spain doesn't surrender....

Menshevik

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What if the Republican government held out for a bit longer? It's only 5-6 months between the Republican surrender and Germany's invasion of Poland, so, what happens to a Europe and especially to Spain, where the Spanish Civil War is still being fought?

Would the SCW still being fought in September have changed Hitler's plans?

If not, what happens? Does foreign support for the Republican government increase? If so, how much and in what capacity?
 

notgivenaway

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It could have opened up a new front, but then Hitler would have had Spain (maybe Portugal) as an ally against the Allies. surely though by that time, Republican defeat was inevitable, and the British/French would have not had the forces to contain a united Franco and Hitler front.

I doubt France would have wanted to face Hitler from two fronts, and this would have worsened the Franco-British hand.
 

Lord Oda Nobunaga

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I don't think that making Spain into a theatre of WW2 was necessary. Even if the Republican forces held out that long they were not likely to hold out much longer. Even if they could hold out more Franco would have defeated them eventually at that point. There was no reason for him to join WW2.
 
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In fact, if the Spanish Civil War is still on at the beginning of WW2, the French will crush Franco's Army, not by counter-attacking in Catalonia, but by attacking Morocco and Andalusia. OTL, the French kept many divisions in reserve in case the Spanish joined up with the Germans, enough to sweep through the ill-defended southern Spain of 1939, without depleting the Belgian-German front. On the other hand, Hitler needed his men from Spain to bolster his Luftwaffe.
 

johnincornwall

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In fact, if the Spanish Civil War is still on at the beginning of WW2, the French will crush Franco's Army, not by counter-attacking in Catalonia, but by attacking Morocco and Andalusia. OTL, the French kept many divisions in reserve in case the Spanish joined up with the Germans, enough to sweep through the ill-defended southern Spain of 1939, without depleting the Belgian-German front. On the other hand, Hitler needed his men from Spain to bolster his Luftwaffe.
So you have a massive mechanical army on your eastern door step and you attack an army that's been on military combat footing for 3 years on the other side? Hitler certainly didn't need the Condor Legion either - not as it turned out anyway!

Great plan.

If there would be any relationship between the two - and I doubt it because despite German support for Franco and Comintern/Stalin's support of the left it was all very proxy - the only thing is see is Germany moving troops into Northern Spain to sit on the French border.
 
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So you have a massive mechanical army on your eastern door step and you attack an army that's been on military combat footing for 3 years on the other side? Hitler certainly didn't need the Condor Legion either - not as it turned out anyway!
Re-read : attacking Morocco is not attacking the "other side" (you know, Morocco, on south of Spain) and it is done with troops not used in the German-Belgian front.

the only thing is see is Germany moving troops into Northern Spain to sit on the French border.
How ? Airlifting them ? The only Axis navy available was the Italian Regia Marina, and it did not have the strength to win on the French and British Mediterranean navies.
 

Tulius

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It could have opened up a new front, but then Hitler would have had Spain (maybe Portugal) as an ally against the Allies. surely though by that time, Republican defeat was inevitable, and the British/French would have not had the forces to contain a united Franco and Hitler front.
Let us not forget that during all the Estado Novo dictatorship in Portugal the international foreign policy was always developed to maintain good relationships and the alliance with the United Kingdom and then, specially after 1943, with the United States. After 1939 Portugal also made an alliance with Spain, but in the case (not very likely) of Spain join the Axis, Portugal would join surely the Allies, as it had already appended in the WWI, as it was planned in defending the Lisbon Region with British help, like Portugal had done during the 3rd French Invasion (1810/1811) with Wellington’s help. There were even plans to evacuate to Azores if necessary.

But in Spain, Portugal and the UK had different perspectives. Portugal preferred a Nationalist victory, but wanted that the Nationalists wouldn’t be too close/dependent of the Germans and the Italians, the UK had a more random policy and was in favor of a non-intervention.
 

Lord Oda Nobunaga

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Franco wouldn't have joined WW2 for the simple reason that he wanted good relations with the United States. Hitler would have held off on fighting Poland until he could recall all of his troops. Same with Italy.
 

Menshevik

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Franco wouldn't have joined WW2 for the simple reason that he wanted good relations with the United States. Hitler would have held off on fighting Poland until he could recall all of his troops. Same with Italy.
So, essentially, no greater European war (WWII) until the Spanish Civil War is over?