Road Bridge from the USA to Europe

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Oct 2009
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at’s all good no need to post itt.

It’s human engineering , anything is possible.
Sorry- Anything is NOT possible.

Every amazing thing humanity has accomplished was accomplished by figuring out what COULD be done, and dismissing that which could Not be done.

No one would build a road bridge 3,500 miles long. Its Stupid. Who the hell wants to DRIVE across the atlantic, taking THREE DAYS. ( 3,500 miles at 50 MPH means 70 hours of driving- not counting stops for sleep, fuel, food, etc. ) Confined in their car?

No one would build a bridge across the bering straight for the same reason no one built a road bridge across the English Channel- A buried tunnel would be far more doable- but even then there is a practical limit to how deep you can place a tunnel and how long you can make it for air breathing cars conveying air breathing people . There is a reason the Chunnel is NOT a roadway- and that cars have to be carried thru by electric trains.

Air travel is affordable, convenient, safe and Fast. ( compared to long distance travel by car ) A tunnel running a high speed maglev train might be able to make the trip from NY to London in 13 hours- compared to 8 and a half hours by airliner. But the vast majority of travelers are not traveling from New York to london- but from points even farther away.
Consider if you need to travel from San Francisco to london.
By airliner that's a 10.25 hour flight ( less than 2 hours longer than the flight from New York. )
But if you are traveling by car thru a tunnel or bridge whose starting point is New York- you first have to drive to New York- That's 45 hours in a car already- followed by another 70 hours in a car. Five Days of non-stop driving. With proper rest stops and only 14 hours of driving per day, that's 8 full days travel time.

So, considering the expense and time it would take to build and maintain... and the actual a level of convenience it offers- there is simply no way anyone would be stupid enough to build such a structure.


Human engineering is not- " we can build a bridge to London from New York" Human engineering is- "what's the easiest and most affordable way to get to London from New York- or Anywhere Else." and the answer to that question is FLY.
 
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Dec 2015
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I don't even know how to counter such a fantasy-filled post. Yes, one or two engineers in those videos said something along the lines of "Wouldn't that be neato", though we don't know what might have been edited out to get that quote on film. You still seem to be assuming that an "intercontinental bridge or tunnel" sweepingly includes the Chunnel, a Bering Strait crossing, and something that CROSSES THE ATLANTIC. Sorry, but those first two are in a completely different universe than the third, from a standpoint of construction and materials.

So far, all the *facts*, material, economic, and political, flatly refute the idea of anything being built across the Atlantic in the foreseeable future. Current materials and construction techniques will NOT be adequate; no one can afford it; and there is nothing like the necessary demand for it. Doesn't matter if an ENGINEER likes the idea.

Frankly, trying to claim a victory and call us bullies is a little offensive. All we did was point out that such a project can't be done in this world as we know it. You're the one who blithely assumes that the fundamentals of technology, economics, and human nature are all going to change to make it a high priority as well as a practicality. Playing the victim is kind of pathetic.

Matthew
Matthew, please my friend watch the video.

The engineer behind the Channel tunnel said directly that a tunnel is possible between England and the USA. No editing here. This is not a fantasy...sure it would be a very difficult project to connect England and the USA via a tunnel or road bridge but it is not a fantasy.

No one is playing the victim. The fact sometime in the future, perhaps far in the future we might see a road bridge or tunnel connecting various continents of the world. This is not a fantasy and posting comedy videos in response to this serious proposal or calling a intercontinental road bridge or tunnel a fantasy is wrong.
 
Dec 2015
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It's going to be hard to ever take anything you write seriously ever again after this thread, actions have consequences. :lol::lol::lol:
Zero loss coming from your types of viewpoints and how you react to my posts. Its no surprise to see the above post. You do not know more then real world engineers do my friend. You are in the wrong my friend.
 
Dec 2015
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USA
Sorry- Anything is NOT possible.

Every amazing thing humanity has accomplished was accomplished by figuring out what COULD be done, and dismissing that which could Not be done.

No one would build a road bridge 3,500 miles long. Its Stupid. Who the hell wants to DRIVE across the atlantic, taking THREE DAYS. ( 3,500 miles at 50 MPH means 70 hours of driving- not counting stops for sleep, fuel, food, etc. ) Confined in their car?

No one would build a bridge across the bering straight for the same reason no one built a road bridge across the English Channel- A buried tunnel would be far more doable- but even then there is a practical limit to how deep you can place a tunnel and how long you can make it for air breathing cars conveying air breathing people . There is a reason the Chunnel is NOT a roadway- and that cars have to be carried thru by electric trains.

Air travel is affordable, convenient, safe and Fast. ( compared to long distance travel by car ) A tunnel running a high speed maglev train might be able to make the trip from NY to London in 13 hours- compared to 8 and a half hours by airliner. But the vast majority of travelers are not traveling from New York to london- but from points even farther away.
Consider if you need to travel from San Francisco to london.
By airliner that's a 10.25 hour flight ( less than 2 hours longer than the flight from New York. )
But if you are traveling by car thru a tunnel or bridge whose starting point is New York- you first have to drive to New York- That's 45 hours in a car already- followed by another 70 hours in a car. Five Days of non-stop driving. With proper rest stops and only 14 hours of driving per day, that's 8 full days travel time.

So, considering the expense and time it would take to build and maintain... and the actual a level of convenience it offers- there is simply no way anyone would be stupid enough to build such a structure.


Human engineering is not- " we can build a bridge to London from New York" Human engineering is- "what's the easiest and most affordable way to get to London from New York- or Anywhere Else." and the answer to that question is FLY.
The bottom line is( and btw I have no problem with you or anyone)Real World Engineers say yes it is possible to connect Continents via a road bridge or tunnel. That is the basis of this thread. To disagree with a intercontinental road bridge or tunnel is totally fine, and there is no need at all to use sarcasm or comedy itt or to call the idea of intercontinental road bridges or tunnels a fantasy.
 
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Sorry- Anything is NOT possible.

Every amazing thing humanity has accomplished was accomplished by figuring out what COULD be done, and dismissing that which could Not be done.

No one would build a road bridge 3,500 miles long. Its Stupid. Who the hell wants to DRIVE across the atlantic, taking THREE DAYS. ( 3,500 miles at 50 MPH means 70 hours of driving- not counting stops for sleep, fuel, food, etc. ) Confined in their car?

No one would build a bridge across the bering straight for the same reason no one built a road bridge across the English Channel- A buried tunnel would be far more doable- but even then there is a practical limit to how deep you can place a tunnel and how long you can make it for air breathing cars conveying air breathing people . There is a reason the Chunnel is NOT a roadway- and that cars have to be carried thru by electric trains.

Air travel is affordable, convenient, safe and Fast. ( compared to long distance travel by car ) A tunnel running a high speed maglev train might be able to make the trip from NY to London in 13 hours- compared to 8 and a half hours by airliner. But the vast majority of travelers are not traveling from New York to london- but from points even farther away.
Consider if you need to travel from San Francisco to london.
By airliner that's a 10.25 hour flight ( less than 2 hours longer than the flight from New York. )
But if you are traveling by car thru a tunnel or bridge whose starting point is New York- you first have to drive to New York- That's 45 hours in a car already- followed by another 70 hours in a car. Five Days of non-stop driving. With proper rest stops and only 14 hours of driving per day, that's 8 full days travel time.

...

We would catch a plane to the nearest tunnel entrance , then rent a car .

:)
 
Oct 2009
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San Diego
The bottom line is( and btw I have no problem with you or anyone)Real World Engineers say yes it is possible to connect Continents via a road bridge or tunnel. That is the basis of this thread. To disagree with a intercontinental road bridge or tunnel is totally fine, and there is no need at all to use sarcasm or comedy itt or to call the idea of intercontinental road bridges or tunnels a fantasy.

I disagreed and used sarcasm on the claim that ANYTHING is POSSIBLE. sorry- its just not.
Space elevator? Not possible- why? Because the forces involved exceed the nuclear bonds that hold matter together. Ergo no material CAN possibly be developed that would take the load unless the laws of physics change.

Could a Bridge be built across the Atlantic? that depends on what you would consider a useful bridge... there is no way it could be supported on pylons bedded into the sea floor- because of both the depths involved and the lateral loading on such pylons by ordinary currents, much less tidal force. So it would have to be FLOATING supports- held in place by deep sea anchorages or positioning motors. The roadway would be subject to not only the up and down forces of twice daily tidal cycles, but also to the collision threat from ice bergs calving off Greenland. It would be a hazard to navigation. No One would want to drive it more than once- because it would be staggeringly dull, dangerous, and subject to motion sickness... It would cost more for the gas to drive it than it would to fly in an airplane. The currents and winds alone would stress materials and possibly cumulatively exceed structural limits of matter- as would the space elevator.

So- is it Possible? No- not given the realities of cost versus benefit. If it were ever started, it would never be finished. No one with a brain would finance it.

Why would I add 3500 miles to my own car when I can fly in someone else'S plane for a lower cost and in a fraction of the time?
 
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I disagreed and used sarcasm on the claim that ANYTHING is POSSIBLE. sorry- its just not.
Space elevator? Not possible- why? Because the forces involved exceed the nuclear bonds that hold matter together. Ergo no material CAN possibly be developed that would take the load unless the laws of physics change.

Could a Bridge be built across the Atlantic? that depends on what you would consider a useful bridge... there is no way it could be supported on pylons bedded into the sea floor- because of both the depths involved and the lateral loading on such pylons by ordinary currents, much less tidal force. So it would have to be FLOATING supports- held in place by deep sea anchorages or positioning motors. The roadway would be subject to not only the up and down forces of twice daily tidal cycles, but also to the collision threat from ice bergs calving off Greenland. It would be a hazard to navigation. No One would want to drive it more than once- because it would be staggeringly dull, dangerous, and subject to motion sickness... It would cost more for the gas to drive it than it would to fly in an airplane. The currents and winds alone would stress materials and possibly cumulatively exceed structural limits of matter- as would the space elevator.

So- is it Possible? No- not given the realities of cost versus benefit. If it were ever started, it would never be finished. No one with a brain would finance it.

Why would I add 3500 miles to my own car when I can fly in someone else'S plane for a lower cost and in a fraction of the time?
Well in short, in 100, 500, 1000 or more years cars may be able to travel safely at high speeds in order to make such a road bridge plausible. Imagine where Ocean Exploration will be in 1500 years. The Tunnel idea is similar, such a intercontinental tunnel between The USA and England may never occur, but it might occur hundreds or thousands of years from now.
 
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This I'm having difficulty understanding. Are you implying that besides missions of scientific discovery, humans shouldn't involve themselves in the seas?
More or less. Humans have not respected the seas, we have overfished and polluted, and really should just try to step back and try and undo some of the damage we have caused. Is this a controversial opinion?
 
Jul 2016
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USA
Matthew, please my friend watch the video.

The engineer behind the Channel tunnel said directly that a tunnel is possible between England and the USA. No editing here. This is not a fantasy...sure it would be a very difficult project to connect England and the USA via a tunnel or road bridge but it is not a fantasy.

No one is playing the victim. The fact sometime in the future, perhaps far in the future we might see a road bridge or tunnel connecting various continents of the world. This is not a fantasy and posting comedy videos in response to this serious proposal or calling a intercontinental road bridge or tunnel a fantasy is wrong.
Road:
2,500-5,000 miles long, depending on the route. Depth of seas, for pilings, would need to go up to 2 miles deep in the very deepest, nearly a mile for most of it. Located in the impact zone of storms coming down from the North Atlantic, up from the Gulf Stream, coming across from Africa. The infrastructure necessary to build it, the manpower, the equipment, gosh, all that concrete. The ludicrousness of maintaining it, manning it, the logistics, operational nightmares. The implossibility of what it does to free navigation of the seas. How do other ships get through/under the bridge? Going to build it super high? Going to put gates and bridges on it that open up periodically?

Tunnel:
The Chunnel is only 250 feet below sea level, whereas the average depth of the Atlantic is 10,955 ft, so only 10,700 feet deeper needing to dig that tunnel. The Chunnel is 31 miles long, an Atlantic tunnel would be 80 to 160 times longer.

You've clearly thought this through...
 
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