Russian Territorial Gains if Allied Victory in 1914/15

Apr 2017
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If the allied powers won WW1 in 1914/15, what territorial gains would Russia have gained? Clearly they would have taken Galicia, possibly Carpathio-Ruthenia, Bukovina and the much desired Constantinople and the Dardanelles. If they did take Constantinople (Istanbul), how would they maintain control over it? Would they take control of a land route or would they simply do it by sea?
 

Chlodio

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Aug 2016
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A lot would depend on how the Allies won. For instance, at one point in the early planning of the Dardenelles Operation, the Russians wanted in invade European Turkey with an amphibious assault. If there was a Russian presence in or near Constantinople at the end of the war, that would solidify Russian claims to occupy the straits.

If Bulgaria was on the losing side, I could similarly see a Russian occupation of Bulgaria, but given that Bulgaria might still be neutral, then I don't see a Russian occupation. Same with Rumania. If Rumania was an Ally or neutral, I don't see a Russian occupation after the war.

Despite the alliance, the western Allies would still be reluctant to see Russia gain too much territory, especially at Turkey's expense. The British would not want to confront Russian power in the Mediterranean after the war.

I could see the Russians taking part of East Prussia.
 
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Futurist

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May 2014
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If the allied powers won WW1 in 1914/15, what territorial gains would Russia have gained? Clearly they would have taken Galicia, possibly Carpathio-Ruthenia, Bukovina and the much desired Constantinople and the Dardanelles. If they did take Constantinople (Istanbul), how would they maintain control over it? Would they take control of a land route or would they simply do it by sea?
Russia would also probably want the six Armenian vilayets of the Ottoman Empire:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_vilayets

As for Constantinople, I would think that as a part of the peace treaty Russia would get guaranteed access to Constantinople through either Turkey or Bulgaria (I'm presuming that Romania would be a Russian ally and thus allow Russian troops to pass through its own territory if necessary). Plus, if Turkey, Bulgaria, and/or Romania will ever try revoking Russian land passage to Constantinople, Russia can simply invade them and thus force them to reopen this land passage.
 
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If the allied powers won WW1 in 1914/15, what territorial gains would Russia have gained? Clearly they would have taken Galicia, possibly Carpathio-Ruthenia, Bukovina and the much desired Constantinople and the Dardanelles. If they did take Constantinople (Istanbul), how would they maintain control over it? Would they take control of a land route or would they simply do it by sea?
Galicia, Memelland, perhaps Carpathio-Ruthenia, Northern Bukovina and parts of German Posen. Ottoman Armenia would have been either annexed directly or turned into a pro-Russia puppet state.

As far as Constantinople goes: Russia wanted to annex the entire Straights with enough land on boths sides, plus Eastern Thrace and some Aegean islands. There wouldn't have been a direct land connection with Russia, but Eastern Thrace and a strong alliance with Bulgaria were to ensure the safety of the acquisitions. The area would have heavily colonised by Russians and Ukrainians.
 
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Jan 2014
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If the allied powers won WW1 in 1914/15, what territorial gains would Russia have gained? Clearly they would have taken Galicia, possibly Carpathio-Ruthenia, Bukovina and the much desired Constantinople and the Dardanelles. If they did take Constantinople (Istanbul), how would they maintain control over it? Would they take control of a land route or would they simply do it by sea?

Cannot imagine. Russian empire was very big already. After joining new lands Russia would become overly big and complex fore management. But creation of pupet states wasnt option too. Russian diplomacy was always weak and couldnt manage with independent pupet states. Look at the example of Bulgaria.
 

Futurist

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May 2014
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Galicia, Memelland, perhaps Carpathio-Ruthenia, Northern Bukovina and parts of German Posen. Ottoman Armenia would have been either annexed directly or turned into a pro-Russia puppet state.
You don't think that Russia would have also taken the Polish Corridor and Upper Silesia?

As far as Constantinople goes: Russia wanted to annex the entire Straights with enough land on boths sides, plus Eastern Thrace and some Aegean islands. There wouldn't have been a direct land connection with Russia, but Eastern Thrace and a strong alliance with Bulgaria were to ensure the safety of the acquisitions. The area would have heavily colonised by Russians and Ukrainians.
It's Straits, not Straights. Also, Russia would have to reconcile with Bulgaria after WWI in order to reestablish good ties with it, no?

Agreed about the heavy colonization part, but what exactly is going to happen to Constantinople's existing population? Are they going to remain there even after Constantinople gets transferred to Russia?
 

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