Saraswati was never an Indus Valley River

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Not sure why we are trying to prove Ghaggar as Saraswati or not, when we already have Sarsuti/Saraswati existing parallel to Ghaggar.



You must remember that Indo-Aryans replicated the geographical terms a lot. If original Saraswati was in Afghanistan (Helmand flowing into Hamun), then it was replicated to a tributary of Ghaggar during Vedic Age, then to other parts of India: Allahabad, Gujarat and Bengal etc.

If original Sapta Sindhu was in Afghanistan, then it was replicated to North India during Vedic Age and then to entire Indian Subcontinent, as today the Sapta Sindhu is Sindh, Jamuna, Ganga, Narmada, Godavari, Krishna and Kaveri.

Similarly, lot of other geographical entities were replicated.
This is right that there is a Sarsuti river parallel to Ghaggar, In another hymn of Rigveda, Drishdvati, Apaya and Saraswati are shown flowing parallel, Drishdvati and Apaya flows in Harayana, near Kurukshetra, Apaya in Sanskrit means with "less water (AP)" which is true, in case of Apaya flowing near Kuruksheta, mostly a seasonal river.

He refuses to accept that Vedics kept replicating place names, god names and river names that they admired, they admired the the word "Bharata" vey much, it is another name to God Agni and get's repeated in Rigveda for more than a dozen times, this is found only in Indian Sanskrit and that is the word that gives India it's current name "Bharata" which shows Vedic Aryans originated in India only.
 
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This is right that there is a Sarsuti river parallel to Ghaggar, In another hymn of Rigveda, Drishdvati, Apaya and Saraswati are shown flowing parallel, Drishdvati and Apaya flows in Harayana, near Kurukshetra, Apaya in Sanskrit means with "less water (AP)" which is true, in case of Apaya flowing near Kuruksheta, mostly a seasonal river.

He refuses to accept that Vedics kept replicating place names, god names and river names that they admired, they admired the the word "Bharata" vey much, it is another name to God Agni and get's repeated in Rigveda for more than a dozen times, this is found only in Indian Sanskrit and that is the word that gives India it's current name "Bharata" which shows Vedic Aryans originated in India only.
Drishdvati should be Ghaggar.
 
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This is right that there is a Sarsuti river parallel to Ghaggar, In another hymn of Rigveda, Drishdvati, Apaya and Saraswati are shown flowing parallel, Drishdvati and Apaya flows in Harayana, near Kurukshetra, Apaya in Sanskrit means with "less water (AP)" which is true, in case of Apaya flowing near Kuruksheta, mostly a seasonal river.

He refuses to accept that Vedics kept replicating place names, god names and river names that they admired, they admired the the word "Bharata" vey much, it is another name to God Agni and get's repeated in Rigveda for more than a dozen times, this is found only in Indian Sanskrit and that is the word that gives India it's current name "Bharata" which shows Vedic Aryans originated in India only.


Please note that out of a total number of 1028 Hymns in the Rig Veda, only 19 concern the Bharata family as a whole, making it only 1.85% of the total.

Out of a total number of 34 Arya Hymns, only 3 mention Bharatas, making it about 8.89% of the total.

Compare the Bharatas with Vasisthas and Angirases and if the number of times a mention of various tribes in the Rig Veda is any indication, the result is in front of you.

And most of all, the name Bharat, which is the other name of your country, is religious in nature and primarily represents the majority religious community, the Hindus, as against the popularly acclaimed constitutional secular ethos that you people propagate. And ironically, the Bharatas were the elites and did not represent the populace as a whole, which represents the democratic Bharat or Republic of India. And to top it all, you people taunt Pakistan of being a religious creation for the Muslims, which yes, it is. At Least we Pakistanis don't hide behind the facade of being secular, like the name Bharat is a reflection of majority Hindus only.
 
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Drishdvati should be Ghaggar.
aaahhh, and now Sarsuti, which was a distributary of Ghaggar-Hakra in addition to Drishdvati are also being claimed as Saraswati. Replicating names of Saraswati is also what your friend Kochar propagates. He also states that the initial Saraswati was Haraxwati of Afghanistan and as the Aryans moved east, many rivers that reminded them of the first Saraswati, they replicated the same name for those rivers. And this indicates that the actual Saraswati is in Afghanistan and had nothing to do with Indus Valley Civilisation. Therefore, the IVC can not be Saraswati civilisation. And that is what I have been stating and that is what the scientific studies have also clearly indicated. :)
 
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Please note that out of a total number of 1028 Hymns in the Rig Veda, only 19 concern the Bharata family as a whole, making it only 1.85% of the total.

Out of a total number of 34 Arya Hymns, only 3 mention Bharatas, making it about 8.89% of the total.

Compare the Bharatas with Vasisthas and Angirases and if the number of times a mention of various tribes in the Rig Veda is any indication, the result is in front of you.

And most of all, the name Bharat, which is the other name of your country, is religious in nature and primarily represents the majority religious community, the Hindus, as against the popularly acclaimed constitutional secular ethos that you people propagate. And ironically, the Bharatas were the elites and did not represent the populace as a whole, which represents the democratic Bharat or Republic of India. And to top it all, you people taunt Pakistan of being a religious creation for the Muslims, which yes, it is. At Least we Pakistanis don't hide behind the facade of being secular, like the name Bharat is a reflection of majority Hindus only.
Grow beyond copy and paste, develop own abilities.
 
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aaahhh, and now Sarsuti, which was a distributary of Ghaggar-Hakra in addition to Drishdvati are also being claimed as Saraswati. Replicating names of Saraswati is also what your friend Kochar propagates. He also states that the initial Saraswati was Haraxwati of Afghanistan and as the Aryans moved east, many rivers that reminded them of the first Saraswati, they replicated the same name for those rivers. And this indicates that the actual Saraswati is in Afghanistan and had nothing to do with Indus Valley Civilisation. Therefore, the IVC can not be Saraswati civilisation. And that is what I have been stating and that is what the scientific studies have also clearly indicated. :)

Kochar is like you, must have copied half correct data from elsewhere .. you have easily forgotten that you were told that around 50% of his references are incorrect.
 

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Compare the Bharatas with Vasisthas and Angirases
Lol,seems like you don't even know the ABCD of Vedas.Bharatas were a Kshatriya(warrior) tribe while Vasishtas and Angirasas were Brahmin(priestly) gotras(clans).

@Litsol

Why are you still arguing with a person who doesn't even know the basics about the Vedas?Leave this thread sir,go search for a better one or create a new thread for yourself.Let this one die.
 
Nov 2014
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Lol,seems like you don't even know the ABCD of Vedas.Bharatas were a Kshatriya(warrior) tribe while Vasishtas and Angirasas were Brahmin(priestly) gotras(clans).

@Litsol

Why are you still arguing with a person who doesn't even know the basics about the Vedas?Leave this thread sir,go search for a better one or create a new thread for yourself.Let this one die.
Thanks and Done, this thread is over !

Let's discuss - below issues in academic manner with pros and cons and then come up with a shared paper to be put on blogs or some other ways.

1. Swastika , History and Archaeology

2. Vedic Vs IVC Agriculture, Trade and Commerce

3. Vedic Age Sports and Recreation

4. Vedic Pottery

IVC is not stronghold area, w'd like to have member's input..
 
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Swastika Discussion

Here is the link to discussion on Swastika, Pls join it


Vedic Swastika : History, Archaeology and Tradition - Historum - History Forums




Thanks and Done, this thread is over !

Let's discuss - below issues in academic manner with pros and cons and then come up with a shared paper to be put on blogs or some other ways.

1. Swastika , History and Archaeology

2. Vedic Vs IVC Agriculture, Trade and Commerce

3. Vedic Age Sports and Recreation

4. Vedic Pottery

IVC is not stronghold area, w'd like to have member's input..
 
May 2013
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Grow beyond copy and paste, develop own abilities.
I think you need to grow out of your religiosity to objectively understand and analyse historical and scientific facts. Why can't I take help from the data prepared by different authors. You are also trying to prove a text prepared by poets, thousands of years earlier. Please get real.
 
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