Scramble for China in the 20th Century

Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
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#23
For the concept to work the Chinese government would have to collapse entirely, so the exact date isn't overly important as long as its between the 1880's and before the Russo-Japanese war.
What about if the R-J War is completely avoided, though?

Also, why won't Japan be receptive to a partition of China if it itself is going to get a part of the spoils from this?
 
Apr 2017
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#24
What about if the R-J War is completely avoided, though?

Also, why won't Japan be receptive to a partition of China if it itself is going to get a part of the spoils from this?
Europe would try to exclude japan from any spoils.
I picked the mentioned era as it would fit best without further altering history. If you want to further alter history, you can but if its in the 20th century it runs the risk of American interference. Also if its after the sino-Japanese war Japan would then come into conflict with Russian claims.
 

Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
19,936
SoCal
#25
Europe would try to exclude japan from any spoils.
Why?

I picked the mentioned era as it would fit best without further altering history. If you want to further alter history, you can but if its in the 20th century it runs the risk of American interference. Also if its after the sino-Japanese war Japan would then come into conflict with Russian claims.
So, no Spanish-American War and no Russo-Japanese War.

As for Japan and Russia, surely they could have worked out their dispute amicably had there been more willpower on both sides for this, no?
 

Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
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SoCal
#27
OK.

Also, VP, do you see an opening for Russia to militarily intervene in China during the Sino-French War of 1884-1885 under a different, more hawkish Russian Tsar (even a surviving Tsar Alexander II)?
 
Apr 2017
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#28
OK.

Also, VP, do you see an opening for Russia to militarily intervene in China during the Sino-French War of 1884-1885 under a different, more hawkish Russian Tsar (even a surviving Tsar Alexander II)?
Russia and Japan almost did intervene in said war. The threat of which is what drove the Chinese to make peace with France. If China for some reason ignored this, then both may have entered the war. With Russia possibly taking Manchuria (or part of it) and Japan taking Korea. A later war between the two would seem inevitable.
 
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Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
19,936
SoCal
#29
Russia and Japan almost did intervene in said war. The threat of which is what drove the Chinese to make peace with France. If China for some reason ignored this, then both may have entered the war. With Russia possibly taking Manchuria (or part of it) and Japan taking Korea. A later war between the two would seem inevitable.
What's your source for Russia and Japan being on the verge of intervening in this war? I've actually never heard that before.