Should Africa revert to its pre-colonial kingdoms?

Tulius

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May 2016
5,525
Portugal
#2
If the Kingdom of Kongo could be reestablished, but with a modernised political structure, would this ensure central Africa would be more stable?
Since this isn’t in the lounge, I will suppose that you aren’t joking.

So… you are supposing that the regional and local powers established in the region, including the man that is in power in Africa for the longest period of time since the colonial period, would abdicate their powers to the new Kingdom of Kongo?
 
Jun 2015
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UK
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Why not? Part of the issue in Africa is that the countries are direct colonial creations. In other parts of the world, there has been some attempt to restore the pre-colonial systems, like in Malaysia or Brunei.
 

Tulius

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May 2016
5,525
Portugal
#4
Why not? Part of the issue in Africa is that the countries are direct colonial creations. In other parts of the world, there has been some attempt to restore the pre-colonial systems, like in Malaysia or Brunei.
Why not? Because the planet isn’t an online game from Paradox. Read my previous post. Changes may occur in time but I will doubt that ancient buried kingdoms will emerge.

So, how and whom will depose current installed power to create a new Kongo Kingdom?

Note also that this is not a history theme.
 
Aug 2014
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Portugal
#5
Why not? Part of the issue in Africa is that the countries are direct colonial creations. In other parts of the world, there has been some attempt to restore the pre-colonial systems, like in Malaysia or Brunei.
Most if not all Portuguese former colonies are strong nation states with republican regimes. In Angola there are still conservative societies and kings etc. Yet they dont have strong claims to political power.

A new kingdom of kongo would have territorial claims in 3 republics. It would be a big problem.
 
Jun 2015
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UK
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Why not? Because the planet isn’t an online game from Paradox. Read my previous post. Changes may occur in time but I will doubt that ancient buried kingdoms will emerge.

So, how and whom will depose current installed power to create a new Kongo Kingdom?

Note also that this is not a history theme.
African countries are artifical creations. Portugal, Spain, France are all countries founded on common ethnicities and cultures, for the most part. Congo isn't. It would potentially create more stability. India is artificial, but then there have been kingdoms/empires that controlled it before the British took over.
 
Aug 2014
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Portugal
#7
African countries are artifical creations.
Most countries, if not all, are artificial creations. People (usually a tiny minority)do it, not nature.

If you mean most African borders were not created or planed by Africans, that's true. But this doesn't mean all countries in Africa suffer from lack of national unity today.

Some countries became independent under a strong nationalistic identity (not ethnic, tribal or religious identities), just like other countries in the Americas and Europe.

I am talking about the Portuguese former colonies, now 5 different Nation States. The ideas behind the struggle for independence were Socialism and Nationhood, not tribalism, religion or ethnicity.


Portugal, Spain, France are all countries founded on common ethnicities and cultures, for the most part.
Neither Portugal nor Spain nor France were founded on common ethnicities and cultures. When this countries were founded they were multi ethnic and multicultural.

Medieval Portugal for example was inhabited by christians of the Latin rite, Mozarabs, jews and moors.

Don't forget that in Western Europe we have in recent history many cases of independence movements in Spain, France, Italy, UK and even Belgium.


Congo isn't. It would potentially create more stability. India is artificial, but then there have been kingdoms/empires that controlled it before the British took over.
If you mean DR Congo, it is a multi ethnic and multi cultural country, as far as I know. The Kingdom of Kongo was not. Or at least it was far less multi ethnic and multicultural then DR Congo is today.
 

Ighayere

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Jul 2012
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Benin City, Nigeria
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If the Kingdom of Kongo could be reestablished, but with a modernised political structure, would this ensure central Africa would be more stable?
There were certain pre-colonial kingdoms that are obviously superior in some important ways to what came after them, in some parts of Africa, so I can understand why some people in Africa want to do exactly what you've described here. There are numerous other places in Africa where this wasn't true though.

As for stability, kingdoms sometimes have issues with stability as well. It doesn't necessarily follow that a change of type of government would fix things in an unstable region, though it's possible that it might help.
 
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Aug 2014
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Australia
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Why not? Part of the issue in Africa is that the countries are direct colonial creations. In other parts of the world, there has been some attempt to restore the pre-colonial systems, like in Malaysia or Brunei.
When Zimbabwe did this, unemployment jumped to 95%, inflation soared to a peak of 231 million percent, political opponents were murdered, voters were intimidated, private enterprise left in droves, foreign investment disappeared, and exports plummeted. An Africa Progress Panel study of GDP growth in 2014 determined that Zimbabwe would take longer than any other African nation to double its per capita GDP - 190 years.
 
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