Should Europeans offer their apologies for their colonization?

Should the European apologize for their colonization?

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 10.8%
  • No

    Votes: 129 57.8%
  • No, but educate the European children more about this subject

    Votes: 70 31.4%

  • Total voters
    223
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Oct 2011
109
Croatia
Are you trying to belittle their support? But yes who in his or her right mind would support western backed islamists who have one job only: to push out of the region every single non-Sunni and then give away the oil for free to the americans like the Saudis???
My point is that Assad is their best choice for survival. Largely (but not only) for the reasons you mentioned.

Oldest Muslim country like Najd and Hejaz? These regions didn't have sizable Christian coummunities to begin with
Arabia did have, even if most of them were various types of heretics. They even had a Christian empire:
Fortress in the Sky: Buried Christian Empire Casts New Light on Early Islam - SPIEGEL ONLINE - International

same applies to Najd and Hejaz
Indeed.

I remember having read that there were pagans in Yemen until the 18th century
According to Islam, anyone who is not Muslim, Christian or Jewish is a pagan. It does not necessarily imply paganism as commonly understood (polytheism). Likewise some Christians may use it in a more restricted sense. So question is where did you read it and which definition was being used.

DItto.... The Middle East turned into muslim majority in the 10th century 300 years after the muslim conquests at the exact same time Europe turned into christian majority.... This wasn't a coincidence. Had the Europeans not hijacked Christianity, the Middle East would probably still have a christian majority.
And what is so special about 10th century that would cause it? And keep in mind, I'm talking about 10th century Greece, which was then part of Roman Empire, which had been officially Christian for around 600 years at that point.

Middle East would have only kept Christian majority if Islam had somehow been defeated. Europeans did not "hijack" Christianity, as you wrote, Christianity was simply pushed out of Asia and North Africa by the expansion of Islam.

sure, I also strongly reject the current islamist imperialism which is a tool of the west to push out every non-sunni and then steal oil. On the surface sunnis and americans appear to be enemies, but behind the doors they work closely together to push out every non-sunni. In the begining of the so-called "syrian uprising" the sunnis were yelling "christians to beirut, the alawites to the grave" all the while western leaders were busy screaming "assad must go!" and crying rivers of tears for the so-called sunni "rebels".
While I agree with what you wrote, we're talking about historic imperialism here. Islamic imperialism began in 7th century. "European" imperialism is technically a product of Islamic imperialism since, as I wrote before, Europe as a geopolitical entity only came into being as a consequence of expansion of Islam. Before then, Western civilization was a Mediterranean one, with only a bunch of barbarians to the north of Danube and Rhine. Even discovery and colonization of Americas happened when they did only because of conquest of Constantinople by the Turks.

More specifically, French only conquered Algeria in order to stop Barbary Pirates.

Related:
https://static.cambridge.org/resour...20032540-0588:19074map9_1.png?pub-status=live
https://decolonialatlas.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/the-christianization-of-europe.png

Also relevant:
The Truth About Western “Colonialism”
 
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Ad Honorem
Jun 2014
5,298
New Delhi, India
Reply to OP: Does it matter now. If European countries want their children to know about the third world, they are welcome. If not, the loss is theirs.
 
May 2019
4
Spain
A nation shouldn't apologize at all for what it did in its past. However, it's important that they acknoweldge it happened. Like, just accept the Rape of Nanjing and the Armenian Genocide already, for Christ's sake.
 
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Dec 2015
482
Middle East
My point is that Assad is their best choice for survival. Largely (but not only) for the reasons you mentioned.



Arabia did have, even if most of them were various types of heretics. They even had a Christian empire:
Fortress in the Sky: Buried Christian Empire Casts New Light on Early Islam - SPIEGEL ONLINE - International



Indeed.



According to Islam, anyone who is not Muslim, Christian or Jewish is a pagan. It does not necessarily imply paganism as commonly understood (polytheism). Likewise some Christians may use it in a more restricted sense. So question is where did you read it and which definition was being used.



And what is so special about 10th century that would cause it? And keep in mind, I'm talking about 10th century Greece, which was then part of Roman Empire, which had been officially Christian for around 600 years at that point.

Middle East would have only kept Christian majority if Islam had somehow been defeated. Europeans did not "hijack" Christianity, as you wrote, Christianity was simply pushed out of Asia and North Africa by the expansion of Islam.



While I agree with what you wrote, we're talking about historic imperialism here. Islamic imperialism began in 7th century. "European" imperialism is technically a product of Islamic imperialism since, as I wrote before, Europe as a geopolitical entity only came into being as a consequence of expansion of Islam. Before then, Western civilization was a Mediterranean one, with only a bunch of barbarians to the north of Danube and Rhine. Even discovery and colonization of Americas happened when they did only because of conquest of Constantinople by the Turks.

More specifically, French only conquered Algeria in order to stop Barbary Pirates.

Related:
https://static.cambridge.org/resour...20032540-0588:19074map9_1.png?pub-status=live
https://decolonialatlas.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/the-christianization-of-europe.png

Also relevant:
The Truth About Western “Colonialism”
Weren't you the one who stated that around 25 Million Christians live in the ME? 25 Million people are a lot of people and could easily be used by the imperialists to control the region but they are not. How is that so? Is it due to the fact that Oriental Christians are not selling out to the imperialists like do the Moslems? Trust me, Imperialists would have a hard time stealing oil in the Middle East had Arabia been or remained a Christian majority country.

And yes, over the past recent years I have come to realize the similarities between Moslem Imperialists and their western counterparts:
1) Moslem Arabs were from the desert living off camel piss and had no culture just like Europe which was a cow pasture for most of history.
2) Moslems never contributed to civilization and they never had a so called "Golden Age" as all their so called scholars/polymaths were of non-Arab origin and sometimes even non-Moslem origin. Likewise for the Europeans, they never had a so called Age of Exploration. Rather an Age of ExPLOITation.
3) The US has a Bible belt just like Saudi Arabia has a Quran belt. Don't even let me start on their alliance to exPLOIT the region and kick out everyone else.

So, yes you are absolutely correct, Moslems and Westerners are one and the same.. They only pretend to be opponents.
 
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