Should Israel be held accountable to their crimes against human rights?

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May 2012
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Israel force eviction of palestinians and settlement of their own people into former palestinian land/houses has cost some 1.5 million palestinians their lives, the EU has even condemned their actions and it seems that Israel is acting like the nazis acted to them, why is israel not being internationally forced to step back like other arabic nations like libya and syria did/are (even tho they killed less people), i read that when israel was made by the UN they were given 56% of palestine even tho they only owned 8% of palestine and only 20% of the former palestinian state were jewish, why did the UN do this? It only seemed to lead to major problems just like the treaty of versailles. Thoughts are much appreciated.
 

pugsville

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Oct 2010
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While generally pro-Palestinian I got some concerns.

1.5 Million Palestinians deaths? I would like top see something to back up this claim. Seems mighty high.

Acting like Nazis, no not even close. The Nazis would have just killed them all. The Israeli may have pushed out about 80% of the Palestinians, and there were various terrorist acts, massacres, random summary executions, but way short of what the Nazis would have done

20% of the Population at Partitaion? I think it was well over 30% IIRC.
 

WeisSaul

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Mar 2012
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Israel force eviction of palestinians and settlement of their own people into former palestinian land/houses has cost some 1.5 million palestinians their lives, the EU has even condemned their actions and it seems that Israel is acting like the nazis acted to them, why is israel not being internationally forced to step back like other arabic nations like libya and syria did/are (even tho they killed less people), i read that when israel was made by the UN they were given 56% of palestine even tho they only owned 8% of palestine and only 20% of the former palestinian state were jewish, why did the UN do this? It only seemed to lead to major problems just like the treaty of versailles. Thoughts are much appreciated.
a) 600,000 Palestinians were exiled in the 1947-1948 war; compared to 850,000 Jews who were exiled from Arab countries.
b) Israel isn't systematically executing Palestinians like Nazis
c) Israel never declared multiple wars of extermination against its neighbors, though its neighbors have against Israel
d) There has never been a Palestinian state. There isn't even a hard P (like Potato) sound in Arabic. They pronounce it Philistine, you know, like the Greeks the Romans renamed the region after.
e) The Palestinians are just Jordanians and Egyptians. There was never a call for an Arab Palestinian state before 1967
f) Many of the Arabs in Judea and Samaria (aka the West Bank, a term invented by Jordan) were settled there by the Jordanians
g) The Palestinian Mandate was Israel and Jordan. Arabs got 90% of the Mandate and Jews got 10%.
h)If Israel withdrew from the Arab Palestinian territories, it would be inviting holy hell to be unleashed upon it. From 1948-1967, Arab militants continually fired rockets at Israel from Gaza and the hills of Judea and Samaria. When Israel withdrew from Gaza, the Gaza Arabs increased the number of rockets they were shooting at Israel.
i)In 1936 the Peel commision tried to divide the Palestinian Mandate West of the Jordan into a Jewish third and an Arab two Thirds. The Jews accepted, wanting to get as many Jews out of Europe as possible to save them from Hitler and his cronies. The Arabs said no, so no safe Haven for the Jews.
j) The Arab Palestinians have been offered peace agreements multiple times, giving them almost everything they wanted, including East Jerusalem, 99% of Judea and Samaria, Gaza, and the removal of all settlements not on the border, but the Palestinian Arabs said no. They demanded that all of the Palestinian Arab refugees be allowed to relocate to Israel. All 5 million, a number that is inflated because there were only 600,000 refugees in 1948, but the Palestinian Arabs are the only refugee community that passes refugee status on with each generation, and the UNRWA agency at the UN, a special refugee agency just for the Palestinian Arabs, actively tries to keep surrounding countries from allowing Palestinian Arabs to integrate.
i) 44% of the people in Jordan are ethnically the same as Palestinian Arabs in Judea and Samaria. The Queen of Jordan is Ethnically Palestinian Arab. The so called "Palestinians" are in more than just Palestine!
j) Mahmoud Abbas, President of the Palestinian Authority, actually went up to the Jordanian government asking them to not allow Palestinian Arabs to integrate and settle in Jordan where they could get on with their lives.
k) Israel has received more condemnations than any other country. A little democracy in the middle east, that treats its Arab citizens who happen to have more rights in Israel than in any Arab country, and treats its populace as a whole with more respect than any neighboring country, has more condemnations than any other country.

-Israel is responsible for 46,000 deaths, including casualties of war, and has recieved 223 condemnations.
-Nigeria, 1 million deaths, 0 condemnations.
-North Korea, 2 million deaths, 10 condemnations
-Sudan, 2.25 million deaths, 45 condemnations
-Cambodia, 3 million deaths, 14 condemnations
-People's Republic of China, tens of millions, 0 condemnations

Also this:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UhVcAfMmuc"]Hamas Interior Minister admits Palestinians are not from Israel (Apr 02, 2012) - YouTube[/ame]
 

WeisSaul

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Mar 2012
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That is the plan but is that what was put into effect?
No, it was accepted by the Jewish Palestinians, and rejected by the Arab Palestinians.

Also there's this: (Unrelated to the 1937 plan, but informative nonetheless)
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb6IiSUxpgw"]Origins of Israel Palestinian Conflict - YouTube[/ame]
 
May 2012
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So are those statistics reliable? And what about the fact its against human rights to force evict inhabitants and then settle your own people there? Kinda like what the tuetoburg knights did in the baltic area then the nazis in ww2.
 
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