Should other countries give Uyghurs the option of asylum in order for them to escape Chinese oppression?

Oct 2013
4,574
Canada
#51
Communism is as much an antithesis to Chinese identity (any identity, for that matter) as the above, if not more so.
But China isn't Communist

China is Communist or Socialism with Chinese Characteristics

But still, I don't see you the logic in your comparison. Whatever fault the CCP has or had, religious extremism, terrorism, and separatism are still anti-Chinese concepts that's ought to be curb stomped.
 

holoow

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Jun 2012
3,834
Vilnius, Lithuania
#53
The extremely unnecessary bullying of Uighurs and meddling in their religion, is damaging the reputation of China among Muslims. Majority of Muslims still have positive views about China due to ignorance but this might change in future as China is getting more exposed with time.
The separatist issue could at least be taken care of by having most of the Uyghurs emigrate, though. They could become vocal anti-China activists in the West, but if few Uyghurs are actually going to remain in China, then they're not going to pose much of a separatist threat.

Also, as a side note, maybe Stalin should have separated the Kashgar Valley from China back in the 1940s and created an independent Uyghur state or even an Uyghur SSR there:



He could have also added the northernmost Kazakh-majority part of Xinjiang to the Kazakh SSR.
Actually, Russia's attempts to intervene in Xinjiang affairs failed in 1870s and then Soviet attempts also failed in 1920-1930s. What make you think that Stalin would be more successful here in 1940s?
 

holoow

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Jun 2012
3,834
Vilnius, Lithuania
#54

Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
21,131
SoCal
#55
Actually, Russia's attempts to intervene in Xinjiang affairs failed in 1870s and then Soviet attempts also failed in 1920-1930s. What make you think that Stalin would be more successful here in 1940s?
I thought that Russia didn't put all of its force into either of these two attempts, though. Plus, Russia foregone an opportunity to conquer Xinjiang in the 1880s when it could have but declined to enter the Sino-French War of 1884-1885.
 
Aug 2014
1,273
pakistan
#56
I believe any sane individual would support the Chinese in their war against Mohammadan extremism.
Only an insane person, maddened by anti-Muslim bigotry and hatred, would support the dehumanization, oppression and extermination of Uighurs. Moreover Han-Chinese would have oppressed Uighurs even if the latter were non-Muslims.
 

Larrey

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Sep 2011
5,635
#57
He said: "We are talking about the systematic eradication and cleansing of an ethnocultural people"

Does that sound like a part of the Holocaust (which didn't begin according to you until 1941) or not?
No, that's "democide" rather than "genocide". It mostly leaves people alive, since it operates on things like identity and language. Precisely what China is doing in Xinjiang. China is busy forcibly redesigning the Uighurs – who the Uighurs think they are — in its own image. Should be an interesting exercise for all majority populations who live with minorities they disapprove of – while not according human and civil rights. Assume them to be taking notes.
 
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Larrey

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Sep 2011
5,635
#59
Communism is as much an antithesis to Chinese identity (any identity, for that matter) as the above, if not more so.
Ah, well, there is one thing:
Traditional Chinese ways of doing this and the Communist Pary DO fundamentally agree on one thing – and that is how an elite of some kind always knows better than the citizens in general. Be it the mandarins of the imperial administration, or CCP officials.

The originally Leninist idea, that the CCP has REALLY adopted, is that the Communist Party must always play a leading role, "guiding" the people. Consequently there can't really be anything like participatory democracy, much less a free forming of public opinion that could form the basis of policymaking – because it is an a priori given the Party always knows best, and nothing but nothing can ever be allowed to challenge that... (And these days within the Party Xi Jinping always knows best, being More Equal than any other functionary.)
 
Aug 2010
16,205
Welsh Marches
#60
Only an insane person, maddened by anti-Muslim bigotry and hatred, would support the dehumanization, oppression and extermination of Uighurs. Moreover Han-Chinese would have oppressed Uighurs even if the latter were non-Muslims.
Agreed, but the Chinese are not exterminating them but trying to redesign them (i.e. to destroy their original identity).
 
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