Soviets and Germany vs Soviets and Japan

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I am curious, why did the Soviets suffer such humiliating defeat against the Germans, but such great statistics against Japanese? Was it because the Soviets were from a place where if you tried that discipline crap, you wouldn't walk too far without losing your boots, jewelry, and possibly life, and have someone open a beer bottle with your teeth, but would run like hell only pausing to nick a dead man's boots if seeing a proper organized group of fighters, like the Germans, or police?
 

Lee-Sensei

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Aug 2012
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I am curious, why did the Soviets suffer such humiliating defeat against the Germans, but such great statistics against Japanese? Was it because the Soviets were from a place where if you tried that discipline crap, you wouldn't walk too far without losing your boots, jewelry, and possibly life, and have someone open a beer bottle with your teeth, but would run like hell only pausing to nick a dead man's boots if seeing a proper organized group of fighters, like the Germans, or police?
Japan was a first rate Naval power, but a second rate land power. It had poor tanks and the competence if their officers weren't comparable to their German counterparts in most cases.
 

Larrey

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Sep 2011
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It's been put that the Japanese army missed out on WWI, and so didn't quite learn and internalise all the stark lessons about firepower and cover the main combatants of WWI did — and this still showed in how the Japanese army was equipped and fought by WWII.
 

Lee-Sensei

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It's been put that the Japanese army missed out on WWI, and so didn't quite learn and internalise all the stark lessons about firepower and cover the main combatants of WWI did — and this still showed in how the Japanese army was equipped and fought by WWII.
They fought the Germans in their asian colonies.
 

xander.XVII

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Nov 2009
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They fought the Germans in their asian colonies.
Saying that Japana "fought" in WWI is a huge overstatement. They practically saw no combat whatsoever aside from the siege of Tsingtao, few skirmishes in the German islands against hopeless garrisons and then some naval action against U-boats.
 

Lee-Sensei

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Saying that Japana "fought" in WWI is a huge overstatement. They practically saw no combat whatsoever aside from the siege of Tsingtao, few skirmishes in the German islands against hopeless garrisons and then some naval action against U-boats.
They might not have done as much as their allies but they did fight. Nothing I said was wrong.
 
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Ichon

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By the time of Soviet invasions south the Japanese army was demoralised and without clear leadership direction. Earlier at Kholkin the Soviets had some of their best trained troops and most functional units facing a relatively weak and disorganised Japanese group at end of a long supply chain. Not too surprising how it turned out and Soviets remembered the loss of Russia earlier to Japan and did not underestimate like U.S. and British. Also Soviets understood that showing any weakness to Japan would lead to more problems so even When sending some eastern divisions to the west fronts in 1941 (most did not arrive until 42) those divisions were replaced with other division so there was never a weak front against Japan as well even despite extremes of Soviet problems some help was always given to CCP though quite limited for awhile.
 

Larrey

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They fought the Germans in their asian colonies.
Only in the Shandong. And extremely briefly. More a policing action than war. And done early in the war, against colonial forces, so a colonial action, and nothing to do with the materiel-heavy attritional slugfest WWI developed into, which was where the significant learing needed to be done, but Japan was an outsider to.