Spain and Portugal will have common celebration of the 500th anniversary of first circumnavigation of the Earth

martin76

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Dec 2014
6,286
Spain
#21
Dear Tulius...

Reading the pdf is loook as it was written by socialist or communist...if Magallanes and El Cano were to see the present!!!... Two spaniards! one Portuguese, the other one Castilian.. both loyal subject of the very powerful Don Carlos de España...became in "multiculturalist", "feminist" and all that scum socialist and communist write today in 2019... I guess what Magallanes and El Cano just do it with communist and socialist.. in Mactan beaches... or in Sanlúcar de Barrameda... in 1522!
 

Tulius

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May 2016
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Portugal
#22
Looks nice:)

Apart from the gibberish that I assume is Portuguese;)
Yep, the texts are in Portuguese, as stated. I posted it to benefit of those who can read in Portuguese (and also to most of the Spanish speakers that can also read the basics) and to those who can’t but use a net translator to read the basic lines. I didn’t post any translation since I didn’t found one in my quick search. I will post one if I find it.

Dear Tulius...

Reading the pdf is loook as it was written by socialist or communist...if Magallanes and El Cano were to see the present!!!... Two spaniards! one Portuguese, the other one Castilian.. both loyal subject of the very powerful Don Carlos de España...became in "multiculturalist", "feminist" and all that scum socialist and communist write today in 2019... I guess what Magallanes and El Cano just do it with communist and socialist.. in Mactan beaches... or in Sanlúcar de Barrameda... in 1522!
The pdf is a governmental document and the Portuguese government is socialist, so it doesn’t surprise me and I even agree with you in that part. I don’t agree with you about the communist part. In Portugal the Communist Party, that in part supports the current government, is more conservative than the conservative. They are all against “feminism” and most of the “multiculturalism”. Those are the areas of the populist “New Left”, like the “Bloco de Esquerda”, something like the Spanish “Podemos”.
 

Willempie

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Jul 2015
5,034
Netherlands
#23
Yep, the texts are in Portuguese, as stated. I posted it to benefit of those who can read in Portuguese (and also to most of the Spanish speakers that can also read the basics) and to those who can’t but use a net translator to read the basic lines. I didn’t post any translation since I didn’t found one in my quick search. I will post one if I find it.
I quite liked the site of the ship and the timeline with pictures. The PDF was just too much for me;)
But seriously, no friendly Portugal-Spain match or a movie?
 
Oct 2015
5,183
Matosinhos Portugal
#24
Yes I saw the movie few years ago... and I liked... but I love Pilipino cinema.

As we always said... Portugal and Castile were Spain in 1519... The first circumnavigation was done by a Spanish Expedition belonged to the Kingdom of Castile, under a Portuguese command. Who discovered Santa Elena was a Spanish Expediton belonged to hte kingdom of Portugal under a Castilian command.

It is easy to be understood for us.. but not for "foreigners"... it is as Germany... exists from 1919 onward.

martin 76 não compreendo a sua dita) martin 76 I do not understand your ...
 
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martin76

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Dec 2014
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Spain
#26
Yep, the texts are in Portuguese, as stated. I posted it to benefit of those who can read in Portuguese (and also to most of the Spanish speakers that can also read the basics) and to those who can’t but use a net translator to read the basic lines. I didn’t post any translation since I didn’t found one in my quick search. I will post one if I find it.



The pdf is a governmental document and the Portuguese government is socialist, so it doesn’t surprise me and I even agree with you in that part. I don’t agree with you about the communist part. In Portugal the Communist Party, that in part supports the current government, is more conservative than the conservative. They are all against “feminism” and most of the “multiculturalism”. Those are the areas of the populist “New Left”, like the “Bloco de Esquerda”, something like the Spanish “Podemos”.
Thanks Tulius.. What I thought.... Socialist hands in everywhere... if Magallanes-El Cano would life again.. they cut off the head to who wrote words as "multiculturalism", "feminism" and swearwords as that...Two Catholic King´s loyal subjects bearing "feminism"! and "multiculturalism"
 

sparky

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Jan 2017
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Sydney
#27
beside the Portuguese traitor and the mixed officers on board having hissy fits at each other country
it was the pinnacle of the great Iberian age of discovery

it is thus fitting than in the true spirit of the times , both countries celebrate this great achievement while abusing the other
 
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martin76

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Dec 2014
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Spain
#28
beside the Portuguese traitor and the mixed officers on board having hissy fits at each other country
it was the pinnacle of the great Iberian age of discovery

it is thus fitting than in the true spirit of the times , both countries celebrate this great achievement while abusing the other
You are right sparky.. but I don´t know why the Portuguese state celebrate... it is as if Germany celebrate Jena Victory or USA the fall down of Saigon... the Circumnavigation was a sucess in spite of Portugal.... but socialists are socialist.... everywhere... I am afraid...
 

sparky

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Jan 2017
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Sydney
#29
let's give to the Portuguese what belong to Henry the navigator
Portugal had a school of seamanship with navigation and ship design at Sagres
they were right up there from the start and led the field for decades
being a Portugese captain was in itself a fine recommendation
 

martin76

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Dec 2014
6,286
Spain
#30
let's give to the Portuguese what belong to Henry the navigator
Portugal had a school of seamanship with navigation and ship design at Sagres
they were right up there from the start and led the field for decades
being a Portugese captain was in itself a fine recommendation

Exactly Sparky.. Everything you write I subscribe... but in the case of Circumnavegation.. Portugal did nothing save hamper and putting obstacles.... I agree Portugal and Spain celebrate the Age of discoveries.. but Circumnavigation....

Well, I guess when USA celebrate the anniversary of Gettysburg.. they said it was a Spanish - American victory! and if they celebrate siege of Yorktown they can say it was a British and American victory!

In our age (descripted by Orwen in 1984.. the Lie is Truth and the thruth is lie). Circumnavigation was only and alone a Spanish Expedition. (Castilian by the way).