Staline s strategy

May 2017
1,112
France
#1
Hello everybody and dear specialists.What would have done Staline in the years 1942-1943-1944 if Hitler did not attack him ? Did he consider that as Hitler was completely crazy,he would have attack USSR a day or another,or would he have waited the just moment to attack the Europe of west ?
 

Offspring

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Mar 2013
8,091
România
#2
Hello everybody and dear specialists.What would have done Staline in the years 1942-1943-1944 if Hitler did not attack him ? Did he consider that as Hitler was completely crazy,he would have attack USSR a day or another,or would he have waited the just moment to attack the Europe of west ?
He wanted to let the non-Communists fight and exhaust each other.
 
Jul 2019
43
london
#3
If the USSR was strong enough in 1942/43/44 to attack Hitler's Germany, Stalin may well have decided to.

This would have been in part a pre-emptive strike. Most evidence suggests that Stalin didn't expect the Nazi-Soviet to last, and that he realised that Hitler would probably attack him when he was in a position to do so.
 
Jul 2019
86
Pale Blue Dot - Moonshine Quadrant
#4
I believe that Stalin was focused on building the Soviet national economy - via 5 year plans and things of that nature - and consolidating his own power and control.

Plus he had just purged a lot of military leaders.

He had enemies and he knew it but if left alone I do not think he would have attacked anyone.
 
Sep 2012
9,156
India
#5
I believe that Stalin was focused on building the Soviet national economy - via 5 year plans and things of that nature - and consolidating his own power and control.

Plus he had just purged a lot of military leaders.

He had enemies and he knew it but if left alone I do not think he would have attacked anyone.
IIRC, Stalin had a plan ready to attack Germany. War games had been conducted in Feb.1941 with Zhukov winning both the games. But some mistakes were also made. The Stalin line was left incomplete and the completed portions lacked guns. Stalin ignored specific warnings of the German attack possibly thinking that Hitler will not make a mistake of attacking the Soviet Union when the British were not yet defeated.
 

sparky

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Jan 2017
4,786
Sydney
#6
Well military have exercises , they are are supposed to make some sense
Few could believe that both armies were un-aware of that fact

on the whole , in my humble opinion , Stalin best bet was sitting tight
the army was being vastly expanded ,
the factories were being pushed , the T-34 team had just qualified their design ,
filling the newly created tank corps would take years
same with the new fighter and bombers for the air armies

the lack of officers led to several thousands being exonerated from charges and returned from the Gulag to officer corps
the most famous was General Rokossovsky , arrested , beaten to having broken ribs ,
he always had denied any wrong doing ,
Stalin gave him a division , he ended up the war as one of the best front commander
 
Nov 2015
1,916
Kyiv
#7
I believe that Stalin was focused on building the Soviet national economy - via 5 year plans and things of that nature - and consolidating his own power and control.

Plus he had just purged a lot of military leaders.

He had enemies and he knew it but if left alone I do not think he would have attacked anyone.
Stalin did not build the Soviet economy - he turned Russia into a huge military factory. Everything in the plans of the 1930s was subordinated to the main goal - to create a powerful military production.

The civilian sector in the economy was minimized and Russia was a country where guns instead of butter were a hundred times more real than for the Germany under Hitler

Obviously many authors do not really understand what Russia was at that time - or rather, from the 19th century to this day. This is a military country. And in Soviet times her authorities were extremely ineffective in solving the key tasks of creating a normal civilian economy. Until 1991 the Country of Soviets was not able to solve the main problems in this matter. It produced the world's worst consumer goods - and some of the best devices in the world for the extermination of the humans.

I lived in that country in the 1970s - 1980s and I remember well the level of her militarization. So in the 1930s the level of militarization of the Soviet Union was even higher
 
Nov 2015
1,916
Kyiv
#8
Well military have exercises , they are are supposed to make some sense
Few could believe that both armies were un-aware of that fact

on the whole , in my humble opinion , Stalin best bet was sitting tight
the army was being vastly expanded ,
the factories were being pushed , the T-34 team had just qualified their design ,
filling the newly created tank corps would take years
same with the new fighter and bombers for the air armies
According to the table published in the edition of the Institute of Military History of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation "Combat and strength of the USSR armed forces during the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945. Statistical collection No. 1 (June 22, 1941), published in a circulation of 25 copies, by the 22 June 1941 in the staff of the Red Army consisted of 25.932 tanks, self-propelled guns and armored vehicles on a tank chassis

At the same time, on June 1, 1941 18,759 combat aircraft were in service with the Soviet aviation - with the Air Force of the Russian fleet.
 
Nov 2015
1,916
Kyiv
#9
If the USSR was strong enough in 1942/43/44 to attack Hitler's Germany, Stalin may well have decided to.

This would have been in part a pre-emptive strike. Most evidence suggests that Stalin didn't expect the Nazi-Soviet to last, and that he realised that Hitler would probably attack him when he was in a position to do so.

It is no use to think that some country can be completely ready for an offensive war. Germany in its offensive potential was not completely ready for the invasion of France and other European countries in the spring of 1940. And she did not have enough strength to guarantee itself success in the air war against England in 1940. Meanwhile she started. In a militarized country the army is constantly being improved and her without weapons keeps on updating without end.

Another question is what the rulers of the country think about their army. Looking at his 30 thousand tanks and 20 thousand aircraft (I gave more precisely figures yesterday) Stalin and Co. should have bursting with a sense of self-confidence.

With that feeling Russia started the war with Japan in 1904. With that feeling she attacked the Turks in Moldova and defeated the Turkish frigates in Sinope in the 1853 unleashing the Crimean War. With this feeling the Russians invaded Finland in 1939 and Afghanistan in 1980. The feeling of self-confidence of the authorities of the country must be very strong so that they unleash aggression against other countries
 

sparky

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Jan 2017
4,786
Sydney
#10
The soviet army had plenty of outdated unreliable weapon systems , the level of training was abysmal
logistics were probably the better branch of the Army , quality control was a big issue
so was maintenance and spares
Soviet doctrine was based on offence of multi-arms in coordination
the concept of operational battle in depth has become one of the three trinity of warfare nowadays
when it could be made to work , like during Bagration , it worked fairly well

The armored corps were a knee jerk reaction to the Battle of France Panzers success
wanting to do more , the soviet armor which was tasked with infantry support
was amalgamated in over-sized armored corps of two armored and one mechanized divisions
there was just a problem , there weren't enough new tanks or trucks to fill the required establishment
neither enough mid ranks officers
by late 41 , the surviving ones were down sized to "brigades "
with the same staff number and auxiliary battalions ,
it showed a clear improvement
 
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