StG 44 and AK47

Nov 2009
3,760
Queensland, Australia
:D AK-47 and Sturmgewehr StG 44. Haw much StG 44 influenced Kalashnikov design? Is the AK-47 a copy or a development based on StG 44?
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Dec 2009
109
Moscow Idaho, USA
I would definitly think its based on the Stg-44... considering that the Stg-44 was the first modern assault rifle and also considering how a like they look ;) But for exact sources idk... google it and read up on it.
 
Nov 2009
3,760
Queensland, Australia
I would definitly think its based on the Stg-44... considering that the Stg-44 was the first modern assault rifle and also considering how a like they look ;) But for exact sources idk... google it and read up on it.
The layout of both assault rifles look very, very simular.
 

Bucephalus

Ad Honorem
Mar 2008
2,176
Sacramento, CA
The AK-47 was certainly inspired by the Sturmgewehr, but the design of the AK-47 also incorporated features from other contemporary rifles, including the M1 carbine. Very little, if anything, was truly original in Kalashnikov's 1947 version of his design, other than the unique assemblage of otherwise available firearm technologies.
 
Nov 2009
3,760
Queensland, Australia
The AK-47 was certainly inspired by the Sturmgewehr, but the design of the AK-47 also incorporated features from other contemporary rifles, including the M1 carbine. Very little, if anything, was truly original in Kalashnikov's 1947 version of his design, other than the unique assemblage of otherwise available firearm technologies.
Do you have any info regarding origin of design for all major components? E.g. barrel, trigger, gas operated mechanism, rotating bolt ect?
 
Oct 2009
913
Moscow oblast
All guns of the war, as well today’s guns have not novelties based on principle. The whole of them use principles have appeared XIX – beginning XX c.; the novelties consist in the integration of known elements. As well the new technologies of production were introduced into in military industry (something like cold stamping). Sometimes new materials are introduced.
Only nowadays the novelties of principle appear: the electronic bolt, the liquid “powder” etc., but they are experiments.
As of AK-47 and StG 44. They have fundamental differences in mechanics (mentioned the rotating bolt and the tilting bolt and the other) and we cannot speak about their affinity.
 
Nov 2009
3,760
Queensland, Australia
All guns of the war, as well today’s guns have not novelties based on principle. The whole of them use principles have appeared XIX – beginning XX c.; the novelties consist in the integration of known elements. As well the new technologies of production were introduced into in military industry (something like cold stamping). Sometimes new materials are introduced.
Only nowadays the novelties of principle appear: the electronic bolt, the liquid “powder” etc., but they are experiments.
As of AK-47 and StG 44. They have fundamental differences in mechanics (mentioned the rotating bolt and the tilting bolt and the other) and we cannot speak about their affinity.
Do you have any more details from Russians sources? Apart from layout similarity I have no information about any similarity. StG44 was a breaking design and it will be inevitable that some of German ideas has been copied, which will be quite normal taking the circumstances under consideration, but how far the differences go, I do not know.
 
Mar 2009
2,499
StG44 was a breaking design and it will be inevitable that some of German ideas has been copied,
Most german equipment was copied or taken or stolen and redighn by the allies.
but how far the differences go, I do not know.
The difference would not be much,you need to keep youre desighn on par with the orginals to get full protenrail advantage on what you are coping.
So the allies would have not change much on the desighn of the coppied StG44 (Ak47)
 

Cicero

Ad Honorem
Dec 2009
7,829
Tennessee
Stg-44... considering that the Stg-44 was the first modern assault rifle
Yes, my thoughts too. The concept of an automatic weapon firing an intermediate powered cartridge ( intermediate between pistol cartride such as 9mm and rifle cartridge such as 8mm) with a high capacity magazine, originted with the STG 44. In that sence only does the AK-47 copy the STG.

I had an STG 44 once!
 

sturm

Ad Honorem
Jul 2009
8,893
Bulgaria
Truly AK is inspired by StG-44, but not only. Kalashnikov is also inspired and its using features of Fedorov avtomat (very early russian assault rifle).
Just take a look between the similarities between AK and Fedorov avtomat - (Fedorov avtomat - http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/fedorov1.jpg)

By the way, AK may very well be based on the first true soviet assault rifle Sudaev AS-44 - http://world.guns.ru/assault/as44.jpg tested by the way in 1944, the same year of the Stg-44.

A similar model of Sudaev AS-44 is the Tokarev 7.62x41 - http://world.guns.ru/assault/at44.jpg tested 1945
And of course the original kalashnikov AK-46 - http://world.guns.ru/assault/ak46_1.jpg tested 1946