STOP saying the bible promotes slavery!!

Jul 2018
13
United Staes of America
#1
Church teaching does not practice or promote slavery, it liberates slavery by teaching a slave is no less of a person and no less value than a slave master, this was never heard of before christianity.

Our Lord Jesus took on the form of a slave through poverty.

https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/slavery

The link shows that any references you do find are merely rules and traditions from the pagan society before it. As you know, things take a while to change. The apostles worked from the inside. Try to change the person and eventually abolish things like slavery.


"Apostles brought into the new society which so rapidly grew up as the effect of their preaching... ... "For as many of you as have been baptized in Christ, have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Gal., iii, 27-28; cf. I Cor., xii, 13)."
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Religious equality was the negation of slavery as it was practiced by pagan society.
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"III. THE CHURCH AND MODERN SLAVERY: In the Middle Ages, slavery, properly so called, no longer existed in Christian countries; it had been replaced by serfdom, an intermediate condition in which a man enjoyed all his personal rights except the right to leave the land he cultivated and the right to freely dispose of his property. Serfdom soon disappeared in Catholic countries, to last longer only where the Protestant Reformation prevailed. But while serfdom was becoming extinct, the course of events was bringing to pass a temporary revival of slavery."
 
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Dec 2015
2,512
USA
#2
The Bible does include slavery and it doesn't have any prohibitions or criticism of slavery. Most of what it talks about on the topic is more about how slaves should be acquired and treated, not slavery as a topic.

Also, slavery definitely existed in Christian countries; the USA, Spain, and Portugal had slaves in the Americas and justified it through scripture.

Even if the Bible doesn't encourage slavery, it doesn't prohibit it either and it has been used by groups to justify the practice.
 

AlpinLuke

Ad Honoris
Oct 2011
24,526
Lago Maggiore, Italy
#3
Not to remind that the Torah says that Abraham had a female slave [ הָגָר] and he had a son with her ...


So, this thread would be better not making reference to the whole Bible, but just to the New Testament.
 
Jul 2018
13
United Staes of America
#4
The Bible does include slavery and it doesn't have any prohibitions or criticism of slavery. Most of what it talks about on the topic is more about how slaves should be acquired and treated, not slavery as a topic.
Exactly, as I said, any reference to slavery, they are there because of the inhumane societies before like the filthy pagans barbarians.

For centuries pagan societies have tried to lift themselves up to this God or Gods and put themselves in there place.

A history check will show what societies were like before christianity, Roman society entertainment of gladiators and people being fed to wild beasts for example and all societies before the Christianity you will find very inhumane and barbaric lifestyles.
 
Dec 2015
2,512
USA
#5
Exactly, as I said, any reference to slavery, they are there because of the inhumane societies before like the filthy pagans barbarians.

For centuries pagan societies have tried to lift themselves up to this God or Gods and put themselves in there place.

A history check will show what societies were like before christianity, Roman society entertainment of gladiators and people being fed to wild beasts for example and all societies before the Christianity you will find very inhumane and barbaric lifestyles.
The Israelites had slaves, as did numerous Christian and Muslim societies later on. God commands the Hebrews at numerous points in the Old Testament to enslave people and puts forward rules on how to gain slaves and how to treat them. The only time he warns ruination is when Israel begins to turn away from God towards other deities, not how they had or treated slaves. Jesus himself commands slaves to treat their masters like they treat him, with no word condemning the practice or commanding that slaves be liberated.
 

tomar

Ad Honoris
Jan 2011
12,538
#6
Church teaching does not practice or promote slavery, it liberates slavery by teaching a slave is no less of a person and no less value than a slave master, this was never heard of before christianity.

Our Lord Jesus took on the form of a slave through poverty.

https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/slavery

The link shows that any references you do find are merely rules and traditions from the pagan society before it. As you know, things take a while to change. The apostles worked from the inside. Try to change the person and eventually abolish things like slavery.




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So the Bible prohibits many things (especially around sex) but markedly NOT slavery... No one thought it was important to prohibit slavery ? But of course it was oh so much more important to prohibit some sexual practices ?

And since you go so far as serfdom do remind us of the church's attitude towards slavery of black africans
 

Bart Dale

Ad Honorem
Dec 2009
6,866
#7
So the Bible prohibits many things (especially around sex) but markedly NOT slavery... No one thought it was important to prohibit slavery ? But of course it was oh so much more important to prohibit some sexual practices ?

And since you go so far as serfdom do remind us of the church's attitude towards slavery of black africans
Not prohibiting something is not the same thing as promoting it. Slavery was a reality of that part of the world. Just like having kings, rulers, just another unpleasant fact of life. If the early Christians had started activity preaching against slavery, the Roman empire would have persecute them even more, woulen't rest until theynnad exterminate a group with radical idea. Some of the US Founder Fathers were opposed to slavery, but knew if theyn tried to get slavery banned, they never would succeed, and they would fail at getting the new nation started. Sometimes you have to choose your battles, and know you can't win them all. Eventually it was Christians, inspired by the bible, who took a leading role in bringing an end to slavery worldwide.

Look at what happened wirh AIDS even with our modern medicine, an AIDS typryd epidemic would have been devastating back then before modern medicine, Syphillis causee a lot of deaths too before we had a treatment. And your sexual activities are something under your control. You can control whar others do, but you can control what you do.
 

Belgarion

Ad Honorem
Jul 2011
6,489
Australia
#8
Exactly, as I said, any reference to slavery, they are there because of the inhumane societies before like the filthy pagans barbarians.

For centuries pagan societies have tried to lift themselves up to this God or Gods and put themselves in there place.

A history check will show what societies were like before christianity, Roman society entertainment of gladiators and people being fed to wild beasts for example and all societies before the Christianity you will find very inhumane and barbaric lifestyles.

I can give you plenty of examples of 'filthy pagan barbarians' with morals and ethics that influence society today, and of Christian societies that had customs that we find utterly abhorrent. Save the bible thumping for a different soapbox.
 
May 2017
1,176
Syria
#9
A history check will show what societies were like before christianity, Roman society entertainment of gladiators and people being fed to wild beasts for example and all societies before the Christianity you will find very inhumane and barbaric lifestyles.
The 'filthy pagan barbarian' Roman culture influenced and inspired culture and society today as we know it today. Law and development of democratic practices mostly, and not to mention their vast influences in language, literature, art, infrastructure, and city-planning. Heck, Romans invented the idea of civil law.
 
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Maribat

Ad Honorem
Mar 2012
4,924
#10
Exactly, as I said, any reference to slavery, they are there because of the inhumane societies before like the filthy pagans barbarians.

For centuries pagan societies have tried to lift themselves up to this God or Gods and put themselves in there place.

A history check will show what societies were like before christianity, Roman society entertainment of gladiators and people being fed to wild beasts for example and all societies before the Christianity you will find very inhumane and barbaric lifestyles.
That's how the human society evolves. From the primitive "filthy pagans barbarians" to the "cruel slave mongering christians" and at last to the knowledge that there are no gods and every human being has the right to be free. Thanks for your instructive post.
 

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