Successful Communist countries.

Dec 2018
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Cheyenne
Ofcourse they didn`t want the crappy job, they wanted a yacht or just abuse opioids. But go on, take the business and run it, give everyone a great job and lots of free stuff. It allways went so well.
Your right let's just keep going along at the current pace because that's working so well. Wages declining, health decreasing, depression rising, planet dying.

Dont be lazy, I need you to put in a 50 hour week, my private jet needs gas. There's a good serf
 
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Oct 2012
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Your right let's just keep going along at the current pace because that's working so well. Wages declining, health decreasing, depression rising, planet dying.

Dont be lazy, I need you to put in a 50 hour week, my private jet needs gas. There's a good serf
Bit of an overstatement, also quite poor agitprop. Try to be more creative.
 
Dec 2018
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Cheyenne
Bit of an overstatement, also quite poor agitprop. Try to be more creative.
Objectively speaking the planet is dying. It's super stressful. Not as stressful as you running a business where 90% of the surplus labor goes into your coffers. But almost.
 
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Ad Honoris
Jul 2013
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San Antonio, Tx
Mixing of terms. North-western Europe is got no socialism and never has because it's economy is not run and owned by a state. It is called a social state or a wellfare state.
I call it simply, “social democracy”...in most social democracies, the state does NOT own the means of production, but might own public railroads, the post office, etc.
 
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Jan 2012
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South Midlands in Britain
I do wish that the majority would understand that a socialist state is an oxymoron.

Socialism is about equality. This precludes hierarchy and the state is hierarchy writ large. Socialism can only be an equal society where there is no state.

Capitalism is wholly different in form and structure. Capitalism needs a state to guarantee private property rights. To compare socialism and capitalism using the same criteria is to indulge in a nonsense.

Capitalism does things one way. Socialism does things another way. Both ideas have their own unique values but they are mutually exclusive.

Social democracy on the other hand seeks to mitigate the worst effects of capitalism by commonly setting acceptable social and economic standards. This is not socialism as the economy by and large remains capitalist. Even nationalised industries under social democratic states have to conform to capitalist management styles.

Anyone can call themselves a capitalist or a socialist but these are just labels. What they mean is what they do and for some strange but inevitable reason neither does what they say.
 
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